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My engine has failed under warranty. I have a 147 2.0 TS.

My alfa man has said that he would be prepared to fit a v6 engine rather than a TS one if I wished. I understand a fiat coupe route is easier, but I want to stick to the Alfa engine.

3.2 v6 are a fortune, but there seem to be quite a few GTV's and 166 being broken. Is there much weight differance between the 2.0 and the 3.0 engine? Would my standard suspension cope?

I understand it is a challenge, but he is willing to do the labour if I contribute towards the parts and engine. What parts would I need? wiring loom, drive shaft?

If I sourced a 5 speed 3.0 V6, can I use my exisiting 2.0 TS gearbox? Im assuming if it was a six speed, the six speed GTV / 156/ 166 box would fit?

I understand that the V6 the electronics are not the same as in the TS, so things like traction control maybe an issue, but us there anyway around this? Can the car be run using its original ECU for some areas and the V6 ECU for others? If so, which ECU would need to be responsible for which?

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Virtually every mechanical part in the front of the car is different, and the wiring and ECU issues are considerable. Are you sure you want to go there?
 

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The labour is all free as its a warranty job and he has agreed to to undertake the work - I think he's rather excited at the prospect.

Can you tell me exactly what work is involved? Are all 3.0 V6's equal?

Would the mileometer etc be able to function etc?
 

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are you sure this guy is a genuine Alfa sepcialist, it doesn't sound like he really knows what he's letting himself in for?
 

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You'd need the whole engine, gearbox, clutch, injection system plus the wiring loom and the exhaust, you'd need the ecu from the doner car plus the full lock set and keys to avoid immobiliser issues.
It'd be a massive amount of work and you end up with a rather worthless car in my opinion because all you are doing is creating something that Alfa already make and that you can pick up for not much money due to high fuel consumption and road tax issues. I'm sure your insurance company wouldn't be happy either!!

As has already been said, I suspect your man isn't an Alfa expert.
 

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Lewis from Alfa tecnico said he would undertake the work.

But I take all your points. Would the stock suspension cope with the bigger engine?

I guess a standard TS engine would be the sensible option though. Is the CF3 engine the best option?
 

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Alfa already make and that you can pick up for not much money due to high fuel consumption and road tax issues.
Fair point. But the GTA's are around 5k minimum and my cars only worth around 1.5k. I was hoping that I would be able to have a car with almost comparible performance by only buying the parts off a v6 that is being broken.
 

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Okay well if Lewis is happy to do it then crack on as if anyone knows how to do it then it's him.

A TS engine will obviously drop straight in but I dare say Lewis has all the bits for the v6 in his spares bin already. You'll certainly end up with a cheap GTA but I wouldn't expect to be able to get GTA money for it if you want to sell.

No idea on the suspension I'm afraid.
 

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I wouldn't expect to be able to get GTA money for it if you want to sell
I understand that, but I wouldnt be looking to sell really. Id love to own a GTA, but this maybe the only and closest chance I get. I'll speak to the insurance during the week and have a more indepth chat with Lewis.

Id love a 3.2 engine but they are so expensive comapred to the 3's

Are all 3.0 v6's the same? Im guessing a GTV or a 166 maybe the easiest donor car to buy?

How about all of the electrics like the milometer and anti lock breaks etc - could Lewis's wizardry get them all working do you think?
 

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Well ive managed to get insurance, so we might be on. Only £140 more for the v6 than the 2L.

Ive found the GTV donor car for £500, but also need to source an used oil cooler as the one on the engine is leaking I understand.

Lewis is also looking for donor cars, he feels a 166 maybe the cheapest route.

Are the GTV callipers any better than the 147? What else maybe worth transplanting whilst we're at it.

The engine has done 70k, so im guessing a new cam belt needs to be done to be on the safe side. Is it worth oil flushing the engine? Or perhaps using cheaper oil for a thousand miles and then getting it changed again, just incase its been neglected?
 

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In regard to the exhaust - would I need a full 147 GTA exhaust? Will this be compatible with a 3L GTV engine fitted in a 147?

Alternatively, could I get a pipe made to join the GTV manifold to the current stock 2L 147 exhaust?
 

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Well ive managed to get insurance, so we might be on. Only £140 more for the v6 than the 2L.

Ive found the GTV donor car for £500, but also need to source an used oil cooler as the one on the engine is leaking I understand.

Lewis is also looking for donor cars, he feels a 166 maybe the cheapest route.

Are the GTV callipers any better than the 147? What else maybe worth transplanting whilst we're at it.

The engine has done 70k, so im guessing a new cam belt needs to be done to be on the safe side. Is it worth oil flushing the engine? Or perhaps using cheaper oil for a thousand miles and then getting it changed again, just incase its been neglected?
how do you know this engine is any good without taking it apart first to check its ok?

converting a ts to a v6 is a massive job that will take months, everything is different and i cannot see how the insurance can only be 140 quid more for a car that has been converted, since you will need bigger brakes and wheels also

anything is possbile given enough money and time, but seriously its much cheaper to by one thats already done, or and orginal car - GTA
 

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how do you know this engine is any good without taking it apart first to check its ok?
I dont, but the engine is only 10 miles from Alfatecnico and im hoping Lewis would have a look at it firs

i cannot see how the insurance can only be 140 quid more for a car that has been converted, since you will need bigger brakes and wheels also
Im with Zurich currently and pay £438 per annum and Adrian Flux have quoted £580. They have no stated that I need bigger breaks and I have a set of 17". Lewis will send a letter to them and DVLA confirming its safety.

anything is possbile given enough money and time, but seriously its much cheaper to by one thats already done, or and orginal car - GTA
Im waiting for the costs from Lewis currently. I'll let you know.
 

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well you will need bigger brakes, either GTA brakes or brembos from a 166, believe me, the wheels need to be able to get the huge calipers behind them, so you will prolly need GTA wheels aswell

i convereted a 2.5V6 to a 3.0 v6 and even that was a huge job
 

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Ive got GTA wheels in the cellar, ready to be refurbished and fitted. Will I be able to use GTV calipers?

Regarding the lock and ignition - will I be able to keep the current keys?

Can the car be run with tow ecu's for example? Keep the current ECU for ignition, anti lock, millage, digital displays (mpg, av mpg, etc) and use the new engine ECU just to manage the engine. How would it work?
 

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i convereted a 2.5V6 to a 3.0 v6 and even that was a huge job
Im sure it is, I'll call him Friday to see if he's looked into the job in detail.

In regard to the exhaust - would I need a full 147 GTA exhaust? Will this be compatible with a 3L GTV engine fitted in a 147?

Alternatively, could I get a pipe made to join the GTV manifold to the current stock 2L 147 exhaust?
 
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