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On wet Friday a couple of weeks ago my good lady was driving my car through a flood when a couple of lorries driven by Micheal Schumaker and his brother Ralf (so she says) :rolleyes: came the other way creating a tsunami that engulfed my little motor. Car died, game over and she got towed home by Green flag :cry: .
Lots of water in the footwells, water in the brain and alarm module. Took both apart and dried them off. Got car restarted on the Sunday. Phewwwww :) :) .
My problem is since restarting I have got a whine coming from the belt end of the engine.
Only got interior dried out and refitted it this weekend and whine is still there. Have tried spraying pulley centres with WD40 and 3:1 but no major improvement. Sound is more of a ZZZZZzzzzzZZZZZzzzzz than a drone. Appears to come from bottom end of engine.
Anyone know what I adjust to take ancillary belt off? At least then If I start the engine and no noise it must be one of those at fault.
Any suggestions as to what might be source of noise.

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Phew, yes! It does not sound to bad - internal bottom end damage usually have loud knocks or rattles. It does seem to be on the belts. Check the alternator / aircon belts and Cam belts.
 

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Count yourself lucky... Similar thing happened to me last sunday.. One of my cylinders stopped working as it sucked water up through the air intake...

Still in the process of fitting the new engine..
 

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Realise she was incredibly lucky. I just want to make sure that something isnt waiting to happen. It didnt have the noise before so why's it got it now?
Any advice on how to remove the ancillary belt appreciated. Cant spot what has got the adjustment on to give me the slack to remove it.

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I was taking mine off last night (after swapping just about everything from my old engine). I used a very large pry bar/crow bar inbetween the crank pully (bigest pully) and pushed the tenstioner (as it is on a fairly powerful spring... well mine is a brand new tensioner so it was pretty stiff) forward and slid the belt off that way.. And same way to put it back on..

When you get it off, start the car to see if it still squeels.. If it does.. you will know it isnt that which is causing the problem..
 

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Any advice on how to remove the ancillary belt appreciated. Cant spot what has got the adjustment on to give me the slack to remove it.
You just need to use a long handled ring spanner on the adjustable tensioner pulley wheel nut then pull it hard in the anti-clockwise direction (long handle needed to get plenty of leverage). This will in turn pull on the spring and release the tension on the belt. The belt can then just be taken off. I wouldn't use a bar or lever against any of the other pulleys as you risk damaging something else if you do. Have a read the following thread which shows pictures of the adjustable pulley and describes how to remove/fit the auxilary belt...

Alfa145.com - Auxilary Belt: Replacement
 

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OK, firstly if the car has been in dee water then your lucky it's runing, and as Leafer says, he hydrolocked his and then blew the rod out when he tried to start it again (silly boy should have removed the plugs first and sucked out the water, then it would have just been an oil flush and change), but for you I'd recommend an air filter (it'll be soaked and complete cambelt change, I suspect the squeal will be something like an idler bearing that corroded, but you have the possibility that either the alternator, air con pump (if fited) or PAS pump have started to corrode thier bearings. A full belt change may sound extreme, but as you need to inspect everything anyway and removing the aux belt first and starting her up is a good idea, your better off doing the little work now to save you from big nightmare that may ensue.
 

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Thanks guys.
Diagnosis spot on. Tensioner has a grumbling bearing.
Next question now is where is the best place to get one from and how much should I be paying for it. I'll probably even treat it to a new drive belt while I am at it. Any suggestions on who to try?
Thanks for words of advice Smaky. Had covers off and all appears ok on the cambelt front. Oil and filter already changed so only got air filter left to do.
Cant complain about the old girl. Bought as a write-of when she was six months old. Spent her first xmas upside down in a field along with several other cars (victims of black ice).
Towed a caravan with her, towed the rallycar with her, driven through forests, just given her a thrashing ocasionally etc. Showing effects of a hard life but want to keep her going as long as possible.
PS - anyone know what the torque setting is for the tensioner mounting nut?

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Alfa 2.0 TSpark Timing Belt Replacement
Special Tools
Camshaft locking tools – Alfa Romeo No.1.825.041.000
Inlet camshaft holding tool – Alfa Romeo No.1.822.155.000
Exhaust camshaft holding tool – Alfa Romeo No.1.822.146.000
Timing Belt tensioning tool – Alfa Romeo No.1.822.149.000
Balancer shaft belt tensioning tool – Alfa Romeo No.1.822.154.000

Special Precautions
Disconnect battery earth lead
DO NOT turn crackshaft or camshaft when timing belt removed
Remove spark plugs to ease turning engine
Turn engine in normal direction of rotation
DO NOT turn engine via camshaft or other sprockets
Observe all tightening torques.
Removal (numbers in brackets refer to diagram)


1. Remove:
RH Wheel
Engine undershield
RH whell arch liner
Auxiliary drive belt and tensioner
Crank shaft pulley [1]
Timing belt upper cover [2]
Timing belt lower cover [3]
Ignition coils
Cylinder head cover [5[
Centre spark plug – cylinder no.1.
2. Insert dial gauge in No.1 cylinder centre plug hole [6]
3. Turn crankshaft slowly to TDC on No.1 cylinder. Use dial gauge [6]
4. Ensure balancer shaft marks aligned [7] & [8]
5. Ensure marks on belt aligned with marks on sprokets [9] & [10]
6. Slacken balancer shaft tensioner nut [11]
7. Remove balancer belt and sprocket from crankshaft [4]
8. Slacken timing belt tensioner nut [12]
9. Remove timing belt



Installation (numbers in brackets refer to diagram)
1. Ensure crankshaft at TDC on No.1 cylinder. Use dial gauge [6]
2. Hold camshaft sprockets. Use tool Nos. 1.822.155.000 and 1.822.146.000
[13] & [14]. Slacken bolt(s) of each camshaft sprocket.
3. Remove third bearing cap from each camshaft [15] & [16]. NOTE: Mark
bearing caps before removal from identification.
4. Fit locking tools in place of bearing caps [15] & [16]. Tool No.1.825.041.000.
NOTE: Ensure locking tools aligned with respective cam prfiles to
prevent bamage. Before fitting belt, ensure camshaft sprockets turned
fully clockwise.
5. Fit timing belt in anto clockwise direction, starting at crannkshaft sprocket.
Ensure diectional arrows point in direction of rotation.
6. Ensure marks on belt aligned with marks on sprockets [9] & [10].
7. Tension timing belt to maximum. Use tool No.1.822.149.000 [17].
8. Tighten tensioner nut [12].
9. Hold camshaft sprockets. Use tool Nos.1.822.155.000 & 1.822.146.000 [13]
& [14]/
10. Tighten bolt(s) of each camshaft sprocket.
(A) Except 146: 100-124 Nm.
<B> 147: 108-132 Nm.
M6 Bolts: 10Nm.
11. Remove dial guage and locking tools [6], [15] & [16].
12. Fit bearing caps in correct locations.
13. Lubricate camshaft bearing cap bolts. Tighten bolts. Except 147L 13-16Nm.
147: 14-17Nm.
14. Turn crankshaft turn turns clockwise to TDC on No.1 cylinder [6]. Note: dial
gauge will need to be replaced.
15. Fit tensioner tool [17]. Tool No.1.822.149.000.
16. Slacken tensioner nut [12].
17. Turn tensioner anti-clockwise until pointer [18] aligned with hole [19].
18. Tighten tensioner nut [12].
(A) Except 147: 21-26Nm.
(B) 147: 23-28Nm.
19. Ensure crankshaft at TDC on No.1 cylinder [6].
20. Align balancer shaft timing marks [7] & [8]
21. Fit balancer shaft belt and tensioning tool No.1.822.154.000 [20].
22. Turn tensioner until hole [21] aligned with centre of tensioner [22]. Tighten
tensioner nut [11].
23. Turn crankshaft two turns clockwise to TDC on No.1 cylinder [6].
24. Ensure timing marks aligned [7], [8], [9] and [10].
25. Install components in reverse order of removal.
26. Tighten crankshaft pulley bolts.
a. Except 147: 24-26Nm.
b. 147: 23-28Nm.
 

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Alfa 2.0 TSpark Timing Belt Replacement
Special Tools
Camshaft locking tools – Alfa Romeo No.1.825.041.000
Inlet camshaft holding tool – Alfa Romeo No.1.822.155.000
Exhaust camshaft holding tool – Alfa Romeo No.1.822.146.000
Timing Belt tensioning tool – Alfa Romeo No.1.822.149.000
Balancer shaft belt tensioning tool – Alfa Romeo No.1.822.154.000

Special Precautions
Disconnect battery earth lead
DO NOT turn crackshaft or camshaft when timing belt removed
Remove spark plugs to ease turning engine
Turn engine in normal direction of rotation
DO NOT turn engine via camshaft or other sprockets
Observe all tightening torques.
Removal (numbers in brackets refer to diagram)


1. Remove:
RH Wheel
Engine undershield
RH whell arch liner
Auxiliary drive belt and tensioner
Crank shaft pulley [1]
Timing belt upper cover [2]
Timing belt lower cover [3]
Ignition coils
Cylinder head cover [5[
Centre spark plug – cylinder no.1.
2. Insert dial gauge in No.1 cylinder centre plug hole [6]
3. Turn crankshaft slowly to TDC on No.1 cylinder. Use dial gauge [6]
4. Ensure balancer shaft marks aligned [7] & [8]
5. Ensure marks on belt aligned with marks on sprokets [9] & [10]
6. Slacken balancer shaft tensioner nut [11]
7. Remove balancer belt and sprocket from crankshaft [4]
8. Slacken timing belt tensioner nut [12]
9. Remove timing belt



Installation (numbers in brackets refer to diagram)
1. Ensure crankshaft at TDC on No.1 cylinder. Use dial gauge [6]
2. Hold camshaft sprockets. Use tool Nos. 1.822.155.000 and 1.822.146.000
[13] & [14]. Slacken bolt(s) of each camshaft sprocket.
3. Remove third bearing cap from each camshaft [15] & [16]. NOTE: Mark
bearing caps before removal from identification.
4. Fit locking tools in place of bearing caps [15] & [16]. Tool No.1.825.041.000.
NOTE: Ensure locking tools aligned with respective cam prfiles to
prevent bamage. Before fitting belt, ensure camshaft sprockets turned
fully clockwise.
5. Fit timing belt in anto clockwise direction, starting at crannkshaft sprocket.
Ensure diectional arrows point in direction of rotation.
6. Ensure marks on belt aligned with marks on sprockets [9] & [10].
7. Tension timing belt to maximum. Use tool No.1.822.149.000 [17].
8. Tighten tensioner nut [12].
9. Hold camshaft sprockets. Use tool Nos.1.822.155.000 & 1.822.146.000 [13]
& [14]/
10. Tighten bolt(s) of each camshaft sprocket.
(A) Except 146: 100-124 Nm.
<B> 147: 108-132 Nm.
M6 Bolts: 10Nm.
11. Remove dial guage and locking tools [6], [15] & [16].
12. Fit bearing caps in correct locations.
13. Lubricate camshaft bearing cap bolts. Tighten bolts. Except 147L 13-16Nm.
147: 14-17Nm.
14. Turn crankshaft turn turns clockwise to TDC on No.1 cylinder [6]. Note: dial
gauge will need to be replaced.
15. Fit tensioner tool [17]. Tool No.1.822.149.000.
16. Slacken tensioner nut [12].
17. Turn tensioner anti-clockwise until pointer [18] aligned with hole [19].
18. Tighten tensioner nut [12].
(A) Except 147: 21-26Nm.
(B) 147: 23-28Nm.
19. Ensure crankshaft at TDC on No.1 cylinder [6].
20. Align balancer shaft timing marks [7] & [8]
21. Fit balancer shaft belt and tensioning tool No.1.822.154.000 [20].
22. Turn tensioner until hole [21] aligned with centre of tensioner [22]. Tighten
tensioner nut [11].
23. Turn crankshaft two turns clockwise to TDC on No.1 cylinder [6].
24. Ensure timing marks aligned [7], [8], [9] and [10].
25. Install components in reverse order of removal.
26. Tighten crankshaft pulley bolts.
a. Except 147: 24-26Nm.
b. 147: 23-28Nm.
So I take it from that u know what ur doing......:D
Fancy a weekend on the isle of man doing my 146ti......lol I'll give u board & lodge & pay for ur ferry crossing...lol.....:D
 

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Thanks for that. I have always objected to the cost of having to pay someone to change my cambelt. Now once I am setup I can do it for freeeeeeee :lol: :lol: .
Has anyone used the specialist tools that are supplied on ebay and are they ok?
Where is the best place to supply ancillary belt, cambelt, tensioners etc.? Used Alfashop in the post. Any thoughts?

Many many thanks rsfruitbat:) :)
 

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it's a toss up between www.shop4parts.co.uk , www.ebspares.co.uk or www.alfaworkshop.co.uk , they all are basically the same price after postage is factored in by geting the cheapest from each.

So I take it from that u know what ur doing......
Fancy a weekend on the isle of man doing my 146ti......lol I'll give u board & lodge & pay for ur ferry crossing...lol.....
If I wasn't so busy with current projects and not moving house in 2 months I'd have jumped at that offer, loaded up paniers and fired the R1 turbo into life, thing is, when I get to Manx, there's normally only one thought on my mind and that doesn't normally include spannering. On the other hand, if you fancy a scenic drive up to the best beaches in Scotland and want to ski in the morning and surf after lunch then I'd be able to do it. Or wait till I get to Wiltshire... AGAIN!!!
 

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it's a toss up between Fiat Parts and Alfa Romeo Parts from Shop4Parts , Alfa Romeo Parts and Alfa Romeo Spares from EB Spares - Specialist Alfa Parts Dealers or The Alfa Workshop, independent specialist Alfa Romeo garage and web resource , they all are basically the same price after postage is factored in by geting the cheapest from each.



If I wasn't so busy with current projects and not moving house in 2 months I'd have jumped at that offer, loaded up paniers and fired the R1 turbo into life, thing is, when I get to Manx, there's normally only one thought on my mind and that doesn't normally include spannering. On the other hand, if you fancy a scenic drive up to the best beaches in Scotland and want to ski in the morning and surf after lunch then I'd be able to do it. Or wait till I get to Wiltshire... AGAIN!!!
Wiltshire how long til u move..??
 
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