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What would you like your 166 to have, from the available mods and upgrades?
like a fully loaded one , with all possible , and available , upgrades.

We are talking daily drivers, or weekend cars, not musem original cars.

My list:

suspension: -bilstein b8 and eibach springs , or the original TI springs
I would not powerflex the rear arm bushings, I mean not the moving ones, they designed the car with those, I am sure they didnt put them there for no reason

audio: -aux in, wired, straight to ics board for best sound quality
dsp,
-steering wheel controls (if possible to control ipod), would like rotary volume
control on steering wheel instead of buttons.
-in the cassete slot, I would like a removable ,hidden, phone mount.
- since the oem nav and is rather difficult to upgrade, and looks dated, fit a swivel
display (hardwired newer garmin gps device that can also connect to a wireless bacup
camera) , that would swivel inside the dashboard box when you open it.

gearbox: For a car this size, I ll stick with automatic, as it can never be a real sprts car, just a
sporty one, and I feel the auto is the best choice
- steering wheel paddles
- I wonder if the 5 speed aisin gearbox from european 2.4 jtd can be made to fit the
petrol v6, and als , more difficul probably, the electronics, that would also need to be
linked to VDC and ABS systems. Or perhaps a newr ZF auto with 5 or 6 gears? for fuel
economy moslty, to bring the car up to date in this department

engine: -i just refreshed and rebuilt, and put a k&n filter, but more power would be nice . would
it work with the auto gearbox, and VDC? I meam if it is heavily modified.

exhaust: - I always got the Remus backbox for them, and like it. Its a saloon, cant have it
sound too loud, its not a souped up clio
- would like exhaust manifolds without the pre cats for the cf3. cf2 manifolds look
great, and look like they flow much better.

interior:- cupholder. I made one using a detachable cupholder from bmw x1. screwed it to a
spare ashtray, so it it removable ,looks almost factory with the aluminium trim
- would like some discreet ambient lighting, not sure where yet. (door pockets?)
- led to light up the red reflectors when you open the doors
- leather seats ofcourse, would be nice to upgrade them to ventiladed seats, better
lateral support
- still debating whether to fit window tints or not. for now , since the interior is black,
I want to install a black parcel shelf and third brake light housing

brakes: -cross drilled discs, ebc brake pads. I used ate ceramic as they were easily available
- bigger brakes for 159 ?

exterior: - looks great as is, perhaps just 18 inch wheels, window tints?
 

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I have a 166 Collezione 3.2 V6, with few mods; which at the time was my dream 166.
However the car has never been flawless, especially since official dealer fit the quaife diff and single mass flywheel - there were vibrations when taking off and whining noise coming from the diff. The car is currently at the machanic to sort those things once and for all - I had very limited time for it in the last 2 years, but now the project is finally on the move again. I also suspect it lacks some power - this will be investigated soon.

My dream 166 would have RWD and automatic gearbox with paddles, and a much better sitting position, which is horrible from the factory (for long armed shor legged people - orangutans basically).

Anyway my mods include:
- CF2 exhaust manifolds
- equal lenght downpipes from stainless steel
- custom made quad stainless steel exhaust
- Quaife limited slip diff
- single mass flywheel with 147/156 GTA clutch
- bilstein B6 with OEM Ti spings (preferred Koni FSD were no longer avaialable at the time)
- complete suspension overhaul (painted with zync protective spray and black paint over it on some parts)
- heavily upgraded front headlights (new projectors, black painted internals, VLED switchback (amber/white) daytime running lights)
- LEDs bulbs all around
- refurbished and red painted brakes with Ferodo DS Performance pads and stainless brake lines
- refurbished 18" wheels, pianted dark silver/grey (TI design from 159)
- painted upper part of the engine
- silicone hoses around the engine bay
- oil catch can
- stainless steel custom made pipe in the cooling circuitry - the one at the front which is prone to rusting
- loudlink
- rear view camera and mirrocast - so I can mirror what is seen on my phone to the screen of the ICS
- ... can't think of anything else at the moment, but there are some mods as well I guess
 

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My dream 166 would have RWD and automatic gearbox with paddles, and a much better sitting position, which is horrible from the factory (for long armed shor legged people - orangutans basically).
it would have been awesome if they made it RWD. even the central tunnel is there, for the driveshaft. But it is still a great car as is. RWD Maserati

Do you have pictures of the headlights? I am looking into making the facelift headlights double projectors. the useless flash halogen replaced wit an identic bixenon as low/high beam. Dont think its legal though. similar with vw pahaeton, the earlier w12 version only

Also , I forgot, leather wrapped dash and doorcards- one of mine has that, looks awesome!!
And would like colezzione seats with contrasting piping and stitching
 

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I do really love my particular 166 and want to keep it going for as long as possible.

If I had a dream then it would be that the wipers would always work on every setting, the central locking would never fail ever again, and that it would do 60 mpg however driven.


Anyway...some original things that I like about my 166:
3.0 V6 (CF2) and manual 'box suit the car well. I have driven a Sporto, but much prefer the extra gears and to use a manual lever and clutch.
I like the induction sound, so have left the exhaust standard, but that could change in future.
I like the colour (Azzuro Nuvola) and the aircon works...and it has a sunroof.
Also I like the Sportivo interior (all black, with leather).
It doesn't have a zender kit. I did collect one and ummed and arhed about having it fitted, but decided I was happier with the understated standard look.
DSP sound system and 6 stack cd player. I never play music from pods or phones...so the original set up is fine as I listen to albums anyway.

Front wheel drive is fine for the 166. I have a 1977 105 Spider with 165R14 tyres for RWD fun.

Things I have done/had done to improve my 166 (and I am glad I did them).

1, Tried to stop any rust.
2, Solid Flywheel/GTA clutch/Quaiffe diff/Ken's clutch lever bush repair.
3, Eibach Springs with Koni FSD shock absorbers and general suspension refresh (standard bushings).
4, Had the timing belt done by somebody experienced who took their time (now the engine pulls much much better).
5, Put decent tyres on it (Michellin Crossclimate winter/PS4 summer rather than the old P6000 which were hard as rock).

I had a 156 GTA with similar suspension upgrades (KW coilovers) quaiffe diff, decatted wizard manifolds, Gus Alfatune remap etc. It was a bit quicker but the 166 is a much better balance overall and I prefer the looks/colour/distinction of the early 166.
 

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A rwd 166 was a possibility as a super gta but sadly it didn’t make it. If time and money were no object I’d love to shoehorn a 4.2 v8 in and do a rwd conversion. Until then tweaking a 3.2 to get bhp as near to 300 bhp as I can will have to do. I would like to fit a multifunction steering wheel and find a proper way of achieving Bluetooth integration on the ics.
 

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Loving this thread!
Thinking around it will probably keep my headspace and wallet space busy for many years to come!
 

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Also I like the Sportivo interior (all black, with leather).
Is the parcel shelf black or grey? I am looking for a grey one. mine has black leather and everything, and roof and pillars and parcel shelf grey.

Tyres - have a look at Uniroyal Rainsport 3. I think they are great UK weather
 

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Do you have pictures of the headlights? I am looking into making the facelift headlights double projectors. the useless flash halogen replaced wit an identic bixenon as low/high beam. Dont think its legal though. similar with vw pahaeton, the earlier w12 version only
I would not go doing double projectors - first it is indeed illegal, end second if you have good projectors you do not really need it.

Here is a photo:
 

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Yes, great question Marco! And I tip my hat to your suggestions - obviously you've have huge depths of 166 experiences :smokin: .

abecketts suggestion of a Maserati V8 in a 166 is a terrific one. Just look how good the V8 in the Quattroporte Mk V is - it would suit the 166 perfectly. Mine would have to be manual & RWD though.

Then I'd send it off to Bertone (if they were still going :depressed:...) & get them to re-design it into a 2-door Coupe. I don't really need 4-doors. The 166 would make a stunning looking Coupe along the lines of the Gamma & Fiat 130 Coupe. It wouldn't really need much work / re-design as it's a beautiful car even in 4-door form. Or failing Bertone then the current Touring Superleggera - they've produced some truly beautiful cars in the last few years like Disco Volante & Ferrari Berlinetta Lusso. BTW I always thought Fiat made the wrong choice in choosing the Lancia Kappa saloon to be made into a Coupe (even though I love it) instead of the 166. Even though you could get it with the Busso V6.

So...... an Alfa 166 manual 4.2 V8 RWD 2-door Coupe. Or do I just get a Maserati 3200GT & save many £1000's....:thinking:
 

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, and a much better sitting position, which is horrible from the factory (for long armed shor t legged people - orangutans basically).
Lizard - I totally agree. When I first got my 166 it gave me bad back-ache as the standard 2.0 TS seats didn't have lumbar support - an unforgivable oversight on a car in this class. Then I bought & retro-fitted a 2nd hand seat from a 166 Super with lumbar support... and my life was transformed. What a difference!

Anyway, back to the thread topic....
 

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..my 166 would have been almost perfect if the annual tax wasn't more than the value of the car itself :hehe:

But she was pretty close to being exactly what I wanted in fairness.. Konis and Eibachs, a Ragazzon exhaust, and groved discs with some trackable pads. She handled great and the engine was very strong for it's age, but I'd often wondered if dropping in a 3.2 would have overcome the limitations of the 4 speed auto.

Oh and the headlights.. they were awful alright :)
 

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..my 166 would have been almost perfect if the annual tax wasn't more than the value of the car itself :hehe:

But she was pretty close to being exactly what I wanted in fairness.. Konis and Eibachs, a Ragazzon exhaust, and groved discs with some trackable pads. She handled great and the engine was very strong for it's age, but I'd often wondered if dropping in a 3.2 would have overcome the limitations of the 4 speed auto.

Oh and the headlights.. they were awful alright :)
Re the 3.2 - you could map the original ECU to 247bhp (Gus at Alfatune for example).
Re the auto, I think manual is more usable but the heavy clutch is a factor.
It was a lovely example Mick, I was sad for you when it went...
 

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Yes, great question Marco! And I tip my hat to your suggestions - obviously you've have huge depths of 166 experiences :smokin: .

abecketts suggestion of a Maserati V8 in a 166 is a terrific one. Just look how good the V8 in the Quattroporte Mk V is - it would suit the 166 perfectly. Mine would have to be manual & RWD though.

Then I'd send it off to Bertone (if they were still going :depressed:...) & get them to re-design it into a 2-door Coupe. I don't really need 4-doors. The 166 would make a stunning looking Coupe along the lines of the Gamma & Fiat 130 Coupe. It wouldn't really need much work / re-design as it's a beautiful car even in 4-door form. Or failing Bertone then the current Touring Superleggera - they've produced some truly beautiful cars in the last few years like Disco Volante & Ferrari Berlinetta Lusso. BTW I always thought Fiat made the wrong choice in choosing the Lancia Kappa saloon to be made into a Coupe (even though I love it) instead of the 166. Even though you could get it with the Busso V6.

So...... an Alfa 166 manual 4.2 V8 RWD 2-door Coupe. Or do I just get a Maserati 3200GT & save many £1000's....:thinking:
Our alfa specialist strongly advises avoiding 3200 and 4200 Maserati as the maintenance will be crippling so it might be cheaper to rework the 166 into rwd. They recently changed the heater matrix on one and it involves removing the entire dash and binnacle as it sits underneath the odometer making the task on a 166 seem a Lalique in the park by comparison.
 

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Re the 3.2 - you could map the original ECU to 247bhp (Gus at Alfatune for example).
Re the auto, I think manual is more usable but the heavy clutch is a factor.
It was a lovely example Mick, I was sad for you when it went...
..yeah the manual is really the one to have in fairness, but I don't mind a decent auto for day-to-day driving. The auto-sport mode in the 166 was really pretty good, and then there's that wild kickdown :)
 

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..yeah the manual is really the one to have in fairness, but I don't mind a decent auto for day-to-day driving. The auto-sport mode in the 166 was really pretty good, and then there's that wild kickdown :)
Auto is very tempting for day to day alright!
 

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Is the parcel shelf black or grey? I am looking for a grey one. mine has black leather and everything, and roof and pillars and parcel shelf grey.

Tyres - have a look at Uniroyal Rainsport 3. I think they are great UK weather
Yes, grey roof etc.
Parcel shelf available presently here:
 

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Our alfa specialist strongly advises avoiding 3200 and 4200 Maserati as the maintenance will be crippling so it might be cheaper to rework the 166 into rwd. They recently changed the heater matrix on one and it involves removing the entire dash and binnacle as it sits underneath the odometer making the task on a 166 seem a Lalique in the park by comparison.
Yep. Love the 3200GT as I soooo much do it's the one reason I could never own one even as a "fun" second car unless I was loaded - the potential maintenance / service / parts costs would ruin me financially & keep me awake at night. There's no fun in that.
 
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