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Now I know some of you are already grinning in anticipation of how stupid this question is going to sound, but I'll try and do it justice :)

As you know, it's a '97 1.8 16V Widebody. Presuming there's different level's of spec for these cars, mine has lekky windows all around and climate control.

I was told when I bought the car that it DOES have Air-Con (private sale), but most of the clues point to it NOT having air-con (It was not a deciding factor on whether I was buying the car or not).

The 1 reason I think it might have air-con, apart from being told when I bought the car, is because of the "Econ" option on the CControl. What's the point of "Econ" if running at full whack isn't using an air-con belt under the bonnet anyhoo?

Reasons why I DONT think it has air-con is because for a start when the climate control temp is down to "Lo", it's not particularly cold on a hot day. This, granted, could be because the freon is stale.

BUT my last car had aircon, and when I turned it on, the engine got noticeably noisier as the aircon unit kicked in. This is the same on any other car I've ever been in with aircon installed.

If I do "Auto" and "Lo" on my car (the two options that I presume would turn on any aircon) I don't get ANY noise increase under the bonnet. It's difficult to the untrained eye to see if the rad below that big plastic front under the bonnet is an aircon rad.

Maybe the answer is a simple "No", and let the slagging commence :) but hopefully it's not :)
 

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Da Londo:
My guess is you don't have it, Freon would last longer than 5 years. :p
Yeah, maybe. Maybe it leaked or something, I dunno :) I'm just hoping against hope is all :)
 
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if youve got a big silver pump on your engine and two silver aluminium pipes runing round the engine bay then yes you do.
 
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Eeerrmmm, might be wrong here but..........

Air conditioning is a bit of a generic term as it it merely "treating" or conditioning the air to artificially cool or heat it...........does that make sense????

I thought that climate control was "posh" aircon. Instead of just blasting cold or hot air it regulates the temperature of the cabin environment. So yes you have got it. The cold air is not great in mine but its better than cooking :D

Check the rev meter to see if you're getting increased engine usage when switching it on, it may dip for a second and then compensate. Don't notice it on the V6 at all!!!

Page 1:21 of the owners handbook is titled "Automatic Heating and Ventilation with Air Conditioner"

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I'm sure all climate controls have cooling i.e air con.
You should have 2 radiators. The main water one but in front of that there is a smaller one for the R134a refrigerant.
As Jimmybob said there is a belt driven compressor at the front of the engine on the left side when you look from the front. The metal pipes run into flexible hoses of about 35mm diameter, that run behind the main radiator, one of which goes to a large cylinder which is the drier. If you have these and the air con works one of the pipes will be hot(the one to the radiator) and the other will be cold(from the drier).
Mine didn't work when I first got the car due to a leak. It was fixed & has been OK for over 2 years now.It could also be that there is an electrical fault stopping the compressor cutting in. Just because the belt is going round doesn't mean the compressor is running as the pulley incorporates an electromagnetic clutch. The operation of this depends on such things as the pressure in the air con system, temps etc. :p
 
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Maybe you are already read this but this is my first chance to help. The answers above is correct, but there is one more little think you’ll have to check - the climate pressure sensor /ser.# GM 3040500 / 9043 and it cost only 33 euros. /, when no gas in climate system , it protect your climate pump /compressor /.Pump doesn’t work. I hope I’m right.
Don’t worry the summer is over.
Good luck.
 

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Thanks lads, I'll have it up on ramps at the weekend and I'll have a closer look then.

Seems it wasn't as stupid a question as I feared :)

As for CC and aircon wrinx.
I always refer to air-con as the cold air system (special rad), and climate control as the hot air. One doesn't always come with t'other in my experience :)
 
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Climate Control (CC) controls the climate inside the car, whereas Air-con (AC) generally refers to the mechanism that cools or heats the air inside to the temperature you require.

My skinny V6 has no AC - that is it can't cool the car down to below the ambient air temperature outside. An AC'd car would be able to cool the car down on a hot day.

On the other hand, I have CC which monitors the temperature and then adjusts how much hot or cold air comes into the car, so that the internal temperature is as close as possible to the one you selected. It can't cool the car down below the temperature outside though, so if it's 23 degrees outside, it'll be 23 degrees inside.

If you have the ECON button then according to my Owner's manual that switches off your AC. I don't have that button (just an Auto button for the CC).

Ralf S.
 
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It took me ages to work out if I had air-con or not (but I wasn't going to own up).

Ralf S.
 

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my 2c..

My 155 V6 does have the full CC/AC package....

...but it stopped working a couple of years ago.

I first noticed the problem when the compressor kept cutting in and out and the air fed to the cabin wasn't very cold. Eventually the compressor wouldn't cut in at all.

Eventually traced it to a lack of R134a so I had it re-charged. It was great again for about a month and then it all leaked out again. This is the way I have left it since the leak has to be in the evaporator rad inside the car (the guy spent about 20 minutes checking for leaks at the re-charge and found nothing anywhere else) and I reckon the heater was the first thing they put in the shell when they built the car :mad: .

So, my point (eventually :) ), if you have the ECON button but never hear the compressor pull in or get cold air, chances are you do have the full AC package but it's out of gas. This is the simplest and most likely reason for it failing to work.
 

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Cheers again everyone :)

Yeah ChrisS, that's what I was figuring (hoping wink ). Guess it's time to call Gerry :)
 

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I agree that you have the full CC package.

CC usually refers to the fact that you set the temp you want inside the car, and the vent/heating system gets it there.

Therefore to have true CC, you MUST have AC, otherwise temp stops at ambient when cooling.

On the LCD display, if you set a temp lower than ambient & press ECON, it flashes the LCD to indicate that you're trying to be a cheapskate.

Ultimately, if it's set to LOW, and press AUTO, and it doesn't cool you down - it's not working.

Any body recommend a thorough Air-con specialist????? - or could it be a DIY-job (Alfa quote 6-8hrs job if the air-con rad needs doing & £200 for parts)
 
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Hi
My super has the full climate control. When I bought it the cooling did not work. Eventually the system was found to be leaking inside the car.
It was a dashboard out job to fix it. It was done under warranty but took 9 days waiting for the part, which was just a seal costing a couple of quid seemingly. Anyhow they did a good job as it still works fine over 2 years later. :)
 
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