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Hi All,

Judging from my previous threads, this is a very active and friendly forum, I'm most impressed.
As stated I have just bought a 2001 147 2.0 TS Lusso with 33,000 miles on it.
Its a 5½ years old car.
Alfa now state cam belts should be changed at 37,000 miles? or three years.
O/k its not done 37,000, but it is more than 3 years old, so I assume it would be wise to change the cam belt, even if its just for piece of mind.

I am quite capable of changing my own cam belt and pulleys, and while I am in there I might as well change the balance tensioner belt, variator and water pump.
I have worked this out to be about £290.00 worth of parts including the cam locking tool.
My dilemma is this:
If I do it myself, will I detract from its value should I wish to sell it?
I think I would do a more thorough job than a garage, after all, I'm not working to time and it is my car, so I will make sure it is right.
On the other hand, with a garage I would have some sort of guarantee if things went wrong and also that receipt saying the cam belt had been changed.
What do you think?

Paul:confused:
 

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I think you are a bit borderline with this. There are specialists who can do the work for not much more than £290 and because the car is low mileage I guess it could effect the value.
I always do my own cambelts but would think twice with such a low mileage car that it would limit the range of people who would buy it afterwards for the premium money it deserves.
If you are going to do it can I suggest checking eBay for cam belt kits? I just bought the parts to do mine individually and could have saved a lot by getting the belts and tensioners together. I think you will end up with Dayco belts whoever you buy from. HTH.
 

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be very careful what you buy on e-bay..... make sure you check out what you're buyin...been stung once or twice on parts for mine....not always what they say they're gonna be.
 

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Do you think any buyer would care who did the belts. In fact if they know anything they will be impressed at the fact that they were done on time. If you keep records of all the work you do then it will add to showing that the care has been well looked after.
 

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invoice for the parts would satisfy me. And a few k on the clock since they were done just so Id know it was all ok.
 

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Thanks for your help so far,
I’ve been quoted £300 plus vat by my local Fiat/Alfa indi, to replace both the cam and balance belt and the pulleys/tensioners. He said that the variator only needs replacing if it is dieseling on start up. I asked about replacing the water pump and was told that these rarely go, but they would check this when doing the cam belt.
Does this sound o/k, or should I go with replacing the pump and variator, regardless?

Paul
 

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You can get all the parts from buypartsby minus the variator for £96 including VAT and delivery. The variator is £85 on top from alfashop or shop4parts.

I have done this job on a couple of TS engines and as long as you take your time and use the camblocks it is not difficult.

Just make sure you keep the reciepts for the parts and you shouldn't have trouble selling the car when the time comes.
 

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Has anyone tried doing a TS engine without camblocks? I say this because I just did a Coupe 20v cambelt and the cams stayed in situ without blocks or anything else to keep them there. The Coupe service manual suggests you need them but I'd have thought they are important only when you adjust the position of the camwheels relative to the cams (ie when you change the variator).
Maybe I was lucky but there seem to be plenty of myths and extra expenses around to put people off these straightforward jobs. The crank was at TDC all the time the belt was off.
 

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Hi Symonh2000,
Thanks for the info.
I had a look a the web sites you mention.
I cant see how it adds up to £96 though, can you elaborate?
Are these quality parts? what make should I be looking for?

Thanks,

Paul
 

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Thanks for that Symonh2000,

Sorry to be so picky, but the second link states it is for a 156, to 10/00.

I am assuming it covers the 147, 01 onwards as well??

It doesn’t say so, but I also assume this is the balance belt kit?

Thanks for your help, much appreciated,

Paul
 

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It takes months to get that oil poo out of your nails, pay someone else to change you belts, get a warranty and a receipt to show a buyer.

Its a web age problem, everyones an expert.

Unless you are a mechanic, earn some money and pay a mechanic. The mechanic will pay you for your skill , thats what makes the world go around.

I once tried to empty the ashtray, but dropped it , never again!
 

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Thanks for that Symonh2000,

Sorry to be so picky, but the second link states it is for a 156, to 10/00.

I am assuming it covers the 147, 01 onwards as well??

It doesn’t say so, but I also assume this is the balance belt kit?

Thanks for your help, much appreciated,

Paul

The parts are the same on the 147 and 156 TS as well as the JTS. Have a look at the part numbers on the site. You can tell which belt is which by the tensioner photo. The balalnce belt has only one tensioner.
 

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It takes months to get that oil poo out of your nails, pay someone else to change you belts, get a warranty and a receipt to show a buyer.

Its a web age problem, everyones an expert.

Unless you are a mechanic, earn some money and pay a mechanic. The mechanic will pay you for your skill , thats what makes the world go around.

I once tried to empty the ashtray, but dropped it , never again!

It depends really. if you wish to keep the car it is worth doing yourself, or if the car is not worth much to start with. As for the oil, it doesn't really bother me. It is usually gone in a day or two.
Even if you do keep the car you will still have the receipts for the parts anyway.

I paid £900 for my car, I wasn't going to pay a garage £400 to do my belts when I can do them myself in a day for £200.
 

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I am swayed by the warranty issue and the possible impact on resale value.
This is the first newish car I have had and all my friends are encouraging me to get it done by a garage, but before I bought this car I have always done my own maintenance and have more than 30 years of experience as a DIY mechanic.
I don’t like using garages and feel vulnerable if I know nothing about my cars, so I am having to weigh up my options.
I am very much swayed by the cost implications and if I can save £200 or more, then this has to be a good thing.
From what I can gather, it is not too complicated and I have done far more difficult cam belt changes.

Paul
 
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