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I am quite serious about going to alfa about this problem and putting a bit of pressure on them.

I have just done a few searches and I am quite frankly shocked by the number of diff failure topics I can find just by putting in the key word "gearbox". I am sure there are more so please add it the list of links for me if you find them.

I know this is not just a GTA problem but there are a lot more topics under the GT section. However I would be more than happy to include these in the list too.

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http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-gta/128605-147-gta-broken-gear-box-help.html
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-gta/128230-147-gta.html
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-gta/114547-another-blown-dif.html
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-gta/117540-help.html
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-gta/109494-147-gta-gearbox-knackered.html
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-gta/131560-147-gta-broken-big-time.html
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-gta/79306-147-gta-just-destroyed-its-clutch.html
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-gta/78604-147-gta-breakdown.html
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-gta/79613-help.html
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-gta/74444-147gta-video-blow-diff-at-the-end.html
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-gta/54513-bang-there-goes-another-one.html
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-gta/31605-147gta-broken-diff-again.html

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http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-gta/96698-156-gta-broken-diff-gearbox-or-clutch.html
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-gta/91992-sounds-like-the-diff-has-gone-on-my-gta.html

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The above should prove a good case Silvervalver.

Yes, you should approach Alfa with these facts. Well done on doing this research.

I really hope that you get a result from it.
 

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I think the best thing to have is Alfa Romeo specialists/garages by your side. They know how many people come to them with differential problems. Maybe they want to help you in terms of some hard proof - read --> paperwork of everybody that came in with a AR V6 and had a diff failure.
 

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Hi all,

I have got an email back from alfa who promised me they will look into this. Please post links to anything relevant in here and I will make sure they are aware of it.

As for GTV's GTs and other models they are just as important so post those up too.

Links to topics, names, dealers or number plates etc are what I think will be needed. In other words something of substance. I doubt they will take much notice if I just say "there are loads of people that have had diff failures". However if i can give them a list of topics started by different people all with diff failures, or the names of dealers who have dealt with them that should be more sustantial and something they will find more difficult to talk their way around :)
 

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Good luck mate, I'm going to get mine done independently anyway, just don't want to risk it, probably going to get Peak Alfa to do it.

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It would be a start if they acknowledged there was a problem. I had a follow up call after my cam belt gave up the ghost and they said they weren't aware of a problem with the diffs or the 305mm brakes !!!!
 

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Hi all,

I have got an email back from alfa who promised me they will look into this. Please post links to anything relevant in here and I will make sure they are aware of it.

As for GTV's GTs and other models they are just as important so post those up too.

Links to topics, names, dealers or number plates etc are what I think will be needed. In other words something of substance. I doubt they will take much notice if I just say "there are loads of people that have had diff failures". However if i can give them a list of topics started by different people all with diff failures, or the names of dealers who have dealt with them that should be more sustantial and something they will find more difficult to talk their way around :)
Do you seriously expect Alfa UK to do anything about this? Alfa UK are currently losing about a million pounds a month though there lack of sales and poor management, I don’t think this will be exactly at the top of their agenda.

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Do you seriously expect Alfa UK to do anything about this? Alfa UK are currently losing about a million pounds a month though there lack of sales and poor management, I don’t think this will be exactly at the top of their agenda.

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Whether they will or not I don't know, but they should. If they abandon customers to mechanical failures and lack of warranty then they will have no good-will left in the UK, and people just will not buy them full-stop.

So come on ARUK, buck your ideas up! Not sure really what they could do to compensate people already out of pocket due to diff failure..
 

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Whether they will or not I don't know, but they should. If they abandon customers to mechanical failures and lack of warranty then they will have no good-will left in the UK, and people just will not buy them full-stop.

So come on ARUK, buck your ideas up! Not sure really what they could do to compensate people already out of pocket due to diff failure..
I have to agree with Pud.

Although I doubt much will come of it I feel it worth asking. Alfa want to play with the big boys and hope that people will start thinking of the 159 in the same league as the passat, 3 series and A4 etc.

The relative shortcoming of the alfa range when compared to the german equivilent is being overlooked by more and more people who are seeking something different. However, they will still overlook the brand if they are just plain crap!

It is a case of spend money to make money. They need to address this (and other similar issues) to build up brand confidence.

Take myself. This is the first Alfa I have brought and is the first car I have had break in a serious way. It is also the newest car I have ever owned. It doesn't exactly fill me with much confidence and would potentially put me off buying another. However it dealt with properly then I would have a problem.

I think people can put up with problems so long as their is the support their to put it right.
 

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Whether they will or not I don't know, but they should. If they abandon customers to mechanical failures and lack of warranty then they will have no good-will left in the UK, and people just will not buy them full-stop.
People are put off buying them, last year their target was 12,000 cars sold and they managed to register on 4,000 and that includes all the dealer demos etc, quite frankly pathetic.

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Is it possible to detect impending disaster on a diff or is it mechanically fine one second then scattered across a wide area the next? I ask because I have one in my garage that had done 44k miles in 3.5 years in my 156GTA, quite, ahem, sportily driven but (I like to think anyway :lol: ) with some mechanical sympathy and with the TC always switched off.

I likewise changed the water pump and even I can tell the old one was absolutely fine - the blades of the impellor are all A1.

Alfa can buy my diff if they want to run an engineering report on one that did not fail!
 

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Is it possible to detect impending disaster on a diff or is it mechanically fine one second then scattered across a wide area the next? I ask because I have one in my garage that had done 44k miles in 3.5 years in my 156GTA, quite, ahem, sportily driven but (I like to think anyway :lol: ) with some mechanical sympathy and with the TC always switched off.

I likewise changed the water pump and even I can tell the old one was absolutely fine - the blades of the impellor are all A1.

Alfa can buy my diff if they want to run an engineering report on one that did not fail!
You can get a good idea if it is going to fail by getting the car up on a ramp with the engine running and listen to the sound of the gearbox, if you hear anything untoward it is time to get it changed. However if it all sounds well there is no guarantee it is about to give up. The one on Joe’s GTA was make a terrible noise.

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I HAVE HAD A RESPONSE FROM ALFA!!!

A lovely lady called Lauren called me a short while ago to discuss the problem. She explained that they were genuinly unaware of a problem wih the differentials.

She said they were very concerned as if the matter was widespread enough to be discussed on the club forum there must be some substance to it. For this reason their techincal team have been instructed to start reading through related topics.

As for the Q2 they will not issue a recall because it is not an approved part for the GTA. This I feel is fair enough as they will not have tested the Q2 in the car so could never be happy with it. She explained that the part may not necessarily be any stronger either but would make the car behave differently.

It is for this reason that they cannot offer me a free Q2 upgrade, however as an act of goodwill I will be getting £250 of vouchers to spend on what ever I want ;) ;)


I hope that they will be on here, and I hope they post and ask/answer some questions. It would be good for both their understanding of how owners are using the cars and also our confidence in the company :)
 

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I HAVE HAD A RESPONSE FROM ALFA!!!

A lovely lady called Lauren called me a short while ago to discuss the problem. She explained that they were genuinly unaware of a problem wih the differentials.

She said they were very concerned as if the matter was widespread enough to be discussed on the club forum there must be some substance to it. For this reason their techincal team have been instructed to start reading through related topics.

As for the Q2 they will not issue a recall because it is not an approved part for the GTA. This I feel is fair enough as they will not have tested the Q2 in the car so could never be happy with it. She explained that the part may not necessarily be any stronger either but would make the car behave differently.

It is for this reason that they cannot offer me a free Q2 upgrade, however as an act of goodwill I will be getting £250 of vouchers to spend on what ever I want ;) ;)


I hope that they will be on here, and I hope they post and ask/answer some questions. It would be good for both their understanding of how owners are using the cars and also our confidence in the company :)
I am amazed they are giving you £250, do you think they will £250 to every one that has had a diff fail?

Ned
 
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