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Hi,

Had the upper suspension arm replaced on my 53 plate 156 JTS. All was fine until tonight the same noise has returned. Not nearly as bad as it was at its peak but certainly back again.

Tonight is cold but surely it should not be back already. I just wondering if the part could be faulty or at worst something else.

It was done on the 17th November and has been perfect since, I have only done 150 miles or so.
 

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In going for poly top bushes, they don't make the car as harsh as the bottom ones when there done. V easy to extract the old ones with a longish bolt, nut and washers/socket for spacing(put between the 2 bushes;) )
 

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No idea what part was fitted, a local garage did it. Cost me £170 all in so I am really fed up. I am going to call them tomorrow but can parts really fail after two weeks?

I have used the garage for years and they are not cowboys. At the moment I feel I am going to get tucked up.

In past experiences garages rarely admit to faulty workmanship or parts and usually use this kind of thing to to charge you even more. Really wished I had waited the extra time and got it into a specialist.
 

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Possible it could be another squeak? I had my ARB replaced a couple years ago, then last year uppers and a lower. Now the ARB has a slight squeak on it. Like Multi, I wish I'd gone poly on my uppers three years ago. It's a litany of chasing the squeaks.

Of course, it could be shoddy parts - best to see what make they used. Bottom line is - see where the squeak is, and if it is the replaced upper, then it isn't good enough.
 

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lack of lube in the bush . oooerr that didnt come out right :cheese:

try some silicon spray
 

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With mirlock.

Remove wheel
remove arch liner
remove long bolt through top with bone

grease the ****ers up

reverse the above and put back.


Very easy job. Hours work max on a drive.

Ive got birth uppers and lowers. No issues for the last 10k.
I grease them once a year with silicone spray or even light machine grease. Not too fussed if it kills the rubbers as well they are easy to change.
 

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With mirlock.

Remove wheel
remove arch liner
remove long bolt through top with bone

grease the ****ers up

reverse the above and put back.


Very easy job. Hours work max on a drive.

Ive got birth uppers and lowers. No issues for the last 10k.
I grease them once a year with silicone spray or even light machine grease. Not too fussed if it kills the rubbers as well they are easy to change.
I have this to do before xmas.
 

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With mirlock.

Remove wheel
remove arch liner
remove long bolt through top with bone

grease the ****ers up

reverse the above and put back.


Very easy job. Hours work max on a drive.

Ive got birth uppers and lowers. No issues for the last 10k.
I grease them once a year with silicone spray or even light machine grease. Not too fussed if it kills the rubbers as well they are easy to change.
I'll 3rd this opinion.
Most garages will just throw the parts on without adding any extra grease.
 

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Depends what parts were used. TRW bushes can't be pushed out by hand easily if at all, you need to use a puller. If you can push them out by hand they're likely cheapo arms and they won't last because the bushes are loose to start off with. I'm guessing the garage will have used cheapo parts, not OEM.

Also, you can only remove the long bolt in situ if the arms were fitted before with the bolt in the opposite way around to the factory. i.e. with nut end close to the spring. Otherwise you need to remove the support bracket.
 

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I called the garage and they are taking it back in again. They seemed to think a faulty part as the car was cured for two weeks.

Obviously there is the possibility it was not the upper arm at fault and it was just coincidence that it stopped creaking after it was replaced, but everyone I took it too was certain it was upper arm.

It sounds like a rusty door hinge.

If it is a faulty part do you reckon I will have to shell out the labour again? Not sure who takes the hit in a case of faulty parts for the labour.
 

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If the arms are worn you will feel movement when you grab the spring and the metal bit that the arm balljoint connects to. It's very obvious. Personally I'd just buy TRW arms, for the difference in price buying cheaper stuff just isn't worth the hassle especially since the TRW ones last at least twice as long. If you're paying someone to change them it's a completely false economy given the labour cost.
 

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I called the garage and they are taking it back in again. They seemed to think a faulty part as the car was cured for two weeks.

Obviously there is the possibility it was not the upper arm at fault and it was just coincidence that it stopped creaking after it was replaced, but everyone I took it too was certain it was upper arm.

It sounds like a rusty door hinge.

If it is a faulty part do you reckon I will have to shell out the labour again? Not sure who takes the hit in a case of faulty parts for the labour.
Shouldn't have to pay labour again. The garage will claim it back from the supplier/manufacturer.
 

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To be honest cheaper uppers aren't so much of an issue.
Its just the lack of grease / lube on the bush. Okay they might not last as long but its not as critical.

The bottom wishbones are where you need to spend the money.

As I said I have birth all round with no issues so far. But even when I replaced them I smeared the crap out of them with grease. All round the bush. Removed the pin. All through the bush and then in the pin and all though the bolt.

Okay it never looked very nice but it made sure there were no squeaks.

Same with the bottom wishbones. Smeared them all with grease. If nothing else it'll help stop them rotting.
Occasionally I just give them a lazy blast of silicone spray. You don't even need to take the wheel off. Okay its not as good but it'll help a little. (Make sure not to get any on your tyre and brakes).

You could poly bush them yes. But for the cost you may as well just replace the whole arm. Also just making sure there is enough lube prolongs the life of the bush anyway.

Like I say I've done (Goes to check spreadsheet...) 10'208 miles and I've not needed to re grease them. Or even look at them really. (Last I looked was a month ago and that was when I changed a drive shaft so dropped the top wishbone out so I had enough room to remove the driveshaft that was dead).

So my thoughts are if you do buy cheaper parts. Make sure you grease them up good and you'll be surprised by how long they last.
 

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There are some upper arms out there with bonded bushes that crack as soon as you put the front wheels back on the ground after replacing them.

Birth, TRW, Delphi, all good.
 

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Well they are taking it back to look at it. Understandable at this stage but I have a complete mistrust of garages in general.

Maybe there is another problem but as the car has been 100% since they fixed it on the 17th November it just sounds too much of a coincidence.

My biggest fear is they are going to say ARB bushes or something. I know these are a major job and with my partner off work at this moment due to illness probably above my budget.
 

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Silicone grease is what is needed, spray wears off too quickly. But is will need dismantling to grease it up properly.

HTH
 

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Looks like I have been tucked up.

Took it back but had to leave for work. My partner picked it up and there was no difference. They told her and my neighbour that it would need greasing and maybe it would relive the problem. For them to grease it they wanted another £60+VAT. They suggested we took it apart ourselves!!

My other half protested but they insisted it was not their fault as these cars are prone to this problem. Unbelievably poor service, I spoke to the owner who insisted they would not rectify free of charge as it is more of a manufacturers problem.

Ok, I could protest it with trading standards etc but I just need the car fixed so I will have to now take it elsewhere and pay again. Totally fed up with shoddy garages, I am a long term customer which they have now lost.
 
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I spray all the bushes with mountain bike Ptfe spray and don't get squeaks, I do this a couple of times in the winter and it seems to work.
 
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