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Well, after about 12 years since owning my last Alfa (a gorgeous 33 Cloverleaf which I loved until someone piled into the back of it on the M25!) I am thinking of coming home.....but I need some advice!

I am thinking of getting a 159, but I have a couple of questions that I hope you can help with and give some advice...

1 - I would love the V6, but they seem very rare secondhand and I have heard the 2.4 diesel is quite good - I will look to get an auto (I know, I know - an Alfa must be manual but I cant be bothered to change gears myself anymore) so can you give me some info as to how the auto box performs? I once drove an early 156 Selespeed and was shocked at how poor it was..... it was slow and pnderous to change and the "manual" mode was pretty dire as well - hopefully things have improved?

2 - an Alfa diesel??? Can I really do it? Isnt that sacrilege? What is the real-world performance like?

3- Reliability - obviously the press always slag Alfas off for poor reliability, but what is the 159 really like? What are the electrics like? Does it rattle? Does it breakdown all the time?

4 - Best place to buy - can anyone make any reccomendations for good specialists to buy from in the Hampshire/Berkshire/Surrey area?

5 - Tuning - I currently have a Saab 9-3 Aero that has been tuned a bit - can the 159 (2.4 diesel or v6 petrol) be tuned at all? And is this recommended?

6 - any other things I should consider/look out for?

many thanks for all your help :p
 

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answers to nos. 1,2,3,4,5,6: get you arm in shape and get a manual coz you won't regret it, regardless of what engine you get.
 

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so can you give me some info as to how the auto box performs? I once drove an early 156 Selespeed and was shocked at how poor it was.....
You know that Sillyspeed is not an automatic underneath, right? From what I understand it's almost the same manual gearbox except controlled by hydraulics and computers. V6 156s and 166s used a conventional automatic and so does the 159/Brera range.

2 - an Alfa diesel??? Can I really do it? Isnt that sacrilege? What is the real-world performance like?
No, yes, and by all accounts quite good.:p

If you're actually after an automatic diesel Alfa after owning a 33, stick with your Saabs.:tut: :lol:
 

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Hi all
Well, after about 12 years since owning my last Alfa (a gorgeous 33 Cloverleaf which I loved until someone piled into the back of it on the M25!) I am thinking of coming home.....
Welcome home!!! :D :thumbs:


I am thinking of getting a 159, but I have a couple of questions that I hope you can help with and give some advice...
I'm no expert, but....


1 - I would love the V6, but they seem very rare secondhand and I have heard the 2.4 diesel is quite good - I will look to get an auto (I know, I know - an Alfa must be manual but I cant be bothered to change gears myself anymore) so can you give me some info as to how the auto box performs? I once drove an early 156 Selespeed and was shocked at how poor it was..... it was slow and pnderous to change and the "manual" mode was pretty dire as well - hopefully things have improved?
As Ben said, the Selespeed was not a proper automatic. The new ones are but, not having driven one, I can't comment on how good or bad they might be. A couple of magazine reviews seem quite encouraging though.


2 - an Alfa diesel??? Can I really do it? Isnt that sacrilege? What is the real-world performance like?
Contentious one. There are some on this very forum who would swear by their oil burners. There are some who would swear at the mere mention of diesel :p . I drove one on a track day once, and was quite impressed by the performance (I think it was the 2.4). They don't sound like tractors either :thumbs:


3- Reliability - obviously the press always slag Alfas off for poor reliability, but what is the 159 really like? What are the electrics like? Does it rattle? Does it breakdown all the time?
Reliability has come a long way since the days of the 33. My two 156's have been fault-free (touch wood), and it looks like the 159-generation are even better.:cool:


4 - Best place to buy - can anyone make any reccomendations for good specialists to buy from in the Hampshire/Berkshire/Surrey area?
You could try these guys :: Black and White Garage -- UK's Leading Alfa Romeo and Fiat Specialists ::. I've not had any experience of dealing with them, though, so I can't vouch for them.


5 - Tuning - I currently have a Saab 9-3 Aero that has been tuned a bit - can the 159 (2.4 diesel or v6 petrol) be tuned at all? And is this recommended?
Apparently the diesel react quite well to a bit of tweaking. There are a couple of guys here with tuned diesels.


6 - any other things I should consider/look out for?
The only other thing to warn you about is that Alfas are as addictive now as they ever were - once you get back into one you will be smitten :cool: .

Good luck with your search, and let us know how you get on. :)
 

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I'm new to the Alfa ownership experience and was very cautious initially about what I was letting myself in for.

Overall, I'm very impressed with my 159, it does everything I wanted it to do, but with a whole lot more style and finesse at £££££'s less than the equivalent boring Audi A4 and BMW 3.

I have the beautiful Ti Sportwagon 1.9 Derv. Yes the 2.4 is quicker and has more torque, but from what I've read on here, appalling fuel economy and a few more engine niggles it seems.

I bought the 1.9 and added a power box to bring it up to approx 180bhp and 384 nm of torque. It's now lively, boosts longer and much more driveable, but without dropping fuel economy into the 20's;)

I have started a thread here

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-159-brera-and-946-spider/136451-performance-of-2-2-jts-vs-mapped-1-9-jtdm.html

To get other viewpoints on why they chose one over the other.

Build quality on 2008 cars onwards was much improved, most issues are fairly minor much the same as any new car these days and I've not even had a hint of any electrical problems.

There have been 3 issues with mine so far, a wind/door mirror whistle that was fixed easily, a wiper fix that is common and a 2 minute job at the dealer and a creak from the tailgate that I'm yet to identify, other than those I love everything else about it :D

Handling, body control and braking with the brembo brakes is awesome for an estate car, cosseting heated seats and looks to die for, what else to you need?

Not forgetting the glances you get while on the motorway :thumbs:
 

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4 - Best place to buy - can anyone make any reccomendations for good specialists to buy from in the Hampshire/Berkshire/Surrey area?
I bought my 156 from SGT in Maidenhead, very easy to deal with, honest and warranty stuff was sorted out without bother. As mentioned above Black and White are very good although I've not bought from them.

I dont mean to rush you but this seams quite a good price.

http://www.sgtalfaromeo.co.uk/usedcars/details.html?vehicle_id=600352485
 

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In terms of good Alfa specialists in the Surrey area: I bought my GT from Bishops in Guildford (Bishops in Guilford, Surrey. Authorised Alfa Romeo dealership) and couldn't be more happy with the service and price. They're at the end of Slyfield Industrial Estate and well worth paying a visit to. They had some really gorgeous 159s sitting on the lot when I was up there yesterday.

If there's a specific car you're after and they don't have it, I've no doubt they'll be able to get it in for you. The salesman I dealt with there was called Errol - he's the jolly looking gentleman with a moustache and a South African accent sitting on the desk at the back of the showroom to the right of the service desk (behind a Ducatti 147 at the moment), go say hello to him - he really was a pleasure to deal with and very knowledgeable without being at all pushy or car salesman-like! :)

Good luck with your search!
 

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I can only agree with Carbonio's comments.

I'm just about up to 2000 miles in my first 4 weeks' owning a new 159 1.9Ti and I have had no problems; major or minor niggles.

It drives really well, is quite economical and absolutely nobody believes it is basically the same price as a mid-higher spec'd Accord.

I've done a couple of trips to Scotland on the motorway plus the mad blast that is EVO triangle as well as usual commuting in that mileage and it has been a revelation.:D :thumbs:

I'm loving it and long may it continue. ;) :thumbs:
 

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I did gain some experience of the 159 2.4TI earlier this week (nice shiny black with the dark red leather interior). I was surprised at the comfortable and compliant ride, bearing in mind the lowered suspension and 19" wheels. The car drove extremely well, and the engine was quieter than the previous car I experienced on a long-term test (a 2.4 Lusso). If you're going back to Alfa I don't think you'll get any better than this.
 
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