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Has anyone found a good compromise between performance and comfort, in the pass i have had novitec -40mm springs and standard shocks,not to bad on normal bumps but would bottom out on the bigger one,s, next i tried eibach -20 mm springs and koni adjustable shocks great for handling but to harsh on the bumpy roads, (of which there are far to many in Ireland) then i tried coilovers adjustable for height and rebound, far to harsh, undrivable on bumpy roads, now i have decided to give the OE shocks and eibach springs a go, I know GTVs have always had a firm ride but i was wondering if anyone has found a set up which gives better handling than the OE but without the teeth grinding harshness of most aftermarket set up,s?
 

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Sounds like an endless search between performance and comfort. The only thing I experiment with is the tyre pressures. I notice a big difference between the recomended 38/36 PSI and what I use which is a more comfortable 32/30 PSI.

Have you tried Bilstein shocks ? I had them on my Alfetta GTV and they were brilliant. Transformed the car. Much better handling and better absorbtion of bumpbs also.
 

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Sounds like an endless search between performance and comfort. The only thing I experiment with is the tyre pressures. I notice a big difference between the recomended 38/36 PSI and what I use which is a more comfortable 32/30 PSI.

Have you tried Bilstein shocks ? I had them on my Alfetta GTV and they were brilliant. Transformed the car. Much better handling and better absorbtion of bumpbs also.
I might try the tyre pressures, at least it won cost anything, i had bilsteins in the back but one burst because i had the -40 springs in with them, only ment to have -20 i think.
I used to have an Alfetta GT, in the good auld days, great car.:thumbs:
 

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Yeah you would be surprised the amount of flexibility you can get with the tyre pressures. It is defintely more comfortable with lower pressures. However you loose a little steering sharpness and handling performance.

Here are my notes of the various pressures. They may vary depending on your tyre pressure measuring device :

38/36 Factory Recomendation (Too hard !)
36/34 Hardest I would use.
35.5/33.5 Perfect Balance between performance and comfort.
35/33 Still Good.
34/32 Softer but steering starts to feel vauge.

Also I dont know what effect it will have on the tyres weather there underinflated or not so dont know if it will damage the tyres. But I have old tyres that need replacing so Im not worried about tyre wear for now.

Hope that helps !

Yeah I loved the old Alfetta GTVs I had 3 of them. Classic RWD grew up on them !
 

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I am not really experienced with this but I found that going from 16" to 17" Teledials (with new Eagle F1's) improved comfort. I think the reason is that the 17"'s have a bigger diameter (I know the rolling radius should be the same but they are taller!). I also thought with the lower profile tyres the ride would be worse but it is not. I changed the rear suspension bushes and it is better with the new ones. Loose bushes = crashy ride I think. The front of my car feels fine. For the back I have ordered Bilstein B6's becuse the standard dampers seem just kak. I will report on them. I have the Eibach springs as well and I feel the rates are fine. I have also ordered polyeurethane spacers for the back because I want a little more height for getting over tabletop speed humps. They should give me between 10-15mm extra height depending on how I fit them.

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Yeah you would be surprised the amount of flexibility you can get with the tyre pressures. It is defintely more comfortable with lower pressures. However you loose a little steering sharpness and handling performance.

Here are my notes of the various pressures. They may vary depending on your tyre pressure measuring device :

38/36 Factory Recomendation (Too hard !)
36/34 Hardest I would use.
35.5/33.5 Perfect Balance between performance and comfort.
35/33 Still Good.
34/32 Softer but steering starts to feel vauge.

Also I dont know what effect it will have on the tyres weather there underinflated or not so dont know if it will damage the tyres. But I have old tyres that need replacing so Im not worried about tyre wear for now.

Hope that helps !

Yeah I loved the old Alfetta GTVs I had 3 of them. Classic RWD grew up on them !
I give that a go first thing tomorrow, thanks.
The Alfetta,s and Alfetta GTVs were a real Alfa,s but i like the new Alfa,s too.
 

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I am not really experienced with this but I found that going from 16" to 17" Teledials (with new Eagle F1's) improved comfort. I think the reason is that the 17"'s have a bigger diameter (I know the rolling radius should be the same but they are taller!). I also thought with the lower profile tyres the ride would be worse but it is not. I changed the rear suspension bushes and it is better with the new ones. Loose bushes = crashy ride I think. The front of my car feels fine. For the back I have ordered Bilstein B6's becuse the standard dampers seem just kak. I will report on them. I have the Eibach springs as well and I feel the rates are fine. I have also ordered polyeurethane spacers for the back because I want a little more height for getting over tabletop speed humps. They should give me between 10-15mm extra height depending on how I fit them.

Berni
The polyeurethane spacers sound interesting, where did you order them from if you don,t mind me asking?
 

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Hi

Someone suggested them on this thread....

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-gtv-and-916-spider/175894-adjusting-gtv-rear-camber-how-to-guide.html

They have a distributor in the UK

SuperPro Europe Ltd – The European distributors for SuperPro Polyurethane suspension bush products.

And I have ordered a pair of the universal ones that best fitted what I am trying to achieve. They should arrive tmrw. I can take a pic and let you know how I get on if you like.

Bit late isn't it by the way!

All the best

Berni
 

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Yes let me know how it goes, i have a lot of problems with the bottom of the car hitting speed ramps, there is about 10 of them on the way in to the car park at work,
If i put the -20mm springs back in i might need them, i,m sure someone will say the spacers will affected the handling but i don,t drive fast so i don,t care.:)
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Hi, Will do. 10 or 20mm will affect the look somewhat, the handling I think not. There is a lot more going on with these cars than that. Once perfectly set up, on a track with the Stig driving maybe he could tell. I know one thing, much like yourself I hate scraping the bottom on speed humps .

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In the ideal world (smooth roads and no speed bumps) i think GTVs do look better when lowered when i had the -40mm springs in i think the car looked at its best (just my opinion of course) but as the car is a daily driver it was to impractical, after a while i got tired of slowing down to 10 miles an hour every time i came to another speed bump, well i suppose it wasn't the slowing down so much as all the flashing lights and horns behind me!!
 

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Yeah you find on a bumby choppy road a white delivery van is always on your tail wanting to overtake you becuase your going so slow over the bumps !
 

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Yeah you would be surprised the amount of flexibility you can get with the tyre pressures. It is defintely more comfortable with lower pressures. However you loose a little steering sharpness and handling performance.

Here are my notes of the various pressures. They may vary depending on your tyre pressure measuring device :

38/36 Factory Recomendation (Too hard !)
36/34 Hardest I would use.
35.5/33.5 Perfect Balance between performance and comfort.
35/33 Still Good.
34/32 Softer but steering starts to feel vauge.

Also I dont know what effect it will have on the tyres weather there underinflated or not so dont know if it will damage the tyres. But I have old tyres that need replacing so Im not worried about tyre wear for now.

Hope that helps !

Yeah tried that today, takes a lot of the jarring out of the ride.:thumbs:
 

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Yeah you would be surprised the amount of flexibility you can get with the tyre pressures. It is defintely more comfortable with lower pressures. However you loose a little steering sharpness and handling performance.

Here are my notes of the various pressures. They may vary depending on your tyre pressure measuring device :

38/36 Factory Recomendation (Too hard !)
36/34 Hardest I would use.
35.5/33.5 Perfect Balance between performance and comfort.
35/33 Still Good.
34/32 Softer but steering starts to feel vauge.

Also I dont know what effect it will have on the tyres weather there underinflated or not so dont know if it will damage the tyres. But I have old tyres that need replacing so Im not worried about tyre wear for now.

Hope that helps !

Yeah tried that today, takes a lot of the jarring out of the ride.:thumbs:
Oh good - its a solution that doesnt cost any money -but when you need to use the car for its handling capabilities you might find it too soft and have to pump the tyres up for your favourite stretch of road :D
 

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The general consensus on tyre wear is that underinflated tyres will wear faster on the outer edges and over inflated will wear faster in the centre.

Personally I stick within 2psi of the manufaturers recommended at all times. I have to agree the ride is more comfy at lower pressures, although I would be looking at worn bushes as a main cause of crashy uncomfortable ride. Either that or old shocks.
 

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32psi on the front tyres is mental - the cornering must be terrible! + the uneven tyre wear would be annoying.

Personally I use 39/33 which sounds like a big difference, but there is a massive amount more load on the front axle. + when you look at the sidewall flex when parked, even with 39/33 the fronts are more squashed than the rears.
 

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I always get asked by my family if the fronts are low when parked with the tyres at an angle as they look like they need more air, and that's at the recommended 38psi!
 

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The general consensus on tyre wear is that underinflated tyres will wear faster on the outer edges and over inflated will wear faster in the centre.

Personally I stick within 2psi of the manufaturers recommended at all times. I have to agree the ride is more comfy at lower pressures, although I would be looking at worn bushes as a main cause of crashy uncomfortable ride. Either that or old shocks.
Well maybe I have worn bushes but I had it checked by a specialist and he said there fine.

I can put my pressures on 38 or 39 PSI but theres no point unless I have a super smooth racetrack and theres none of those where I live !!!

Lower presures will not be good for tyre wear but my tyres need replacing anyway as just bought it from the previous owner.
 

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32psi on the front tyres is mental - the cornering must be terrible! + the uneven tyre wear would be annoying.

Personally I use 39/33 which sounds like a big difference, but there is a massive amount more load on the front axle. + when you look at the sidewall flex when parked, even with 39/33 the fronts are more squashed than the rears.
yes 32 is too low the cornering just feels like the tyres are flat. I have them on 35-36 as minimum. Also I dont drive 10/10ths all the time living in the city. If I lived in the country on a nice piece of twisty road id have the pressures higher but all the roads where i live are bad and id prefer comfort over performance over those !!
 
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