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Hi, I've just my first service and MOT for my 2001 3l Spider since I got it. I went to a garage that was widely recommended in here.

As soon as I pulled away from the garage after picking it up, the car had a massive judder in first gear. I presumed at first that they had adjusted the clutch and that it was just me getting used to it. When I got back to my flat, I phoned the garage and the guy told me they hadn't adjusted anything to do with the clutch (as it's hydraulic). It was a 72k service, but the car has about 56k miles.

It's always had a heavy clutch, but there was no clutch judder when I dropped it off this morning and now there is. Happens in all gears when engine braking too.

They've said they'll look at the car on Monday, but he insisted there was nothing they had done wrt to the clutch. What could it be and how could it have happened between me dropping it off this morning and picking it up tonight?:confused::(
 

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This is a strange one.

I am wondering if somehow oil has got onto the flywheel. This might happen if they have overfilled the oil and it is leaking past the rear crank seal.

The clutch shouldn't be all that heavy though unless it is worn, which might suggest that it was past it's best anyway.
 

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Hmmmm.... not sure what they did at the service, but my GTV used to do this before i had the cambelts and variator replaced; just a guess though...
 

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As you say, the clutch was heavy before you dropped it off, indicating that it's worn. I wonder if the post service road test, where the car will be given some beans, to properly test it, has tipped the balance.
 

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As you say, the clutch was heavy before you dropped it off, indicating that it's worn. I wonder if the post service road test, where the car will be given some beans, to properly test it, has tipped the balance.
Kind of what I was thinking. If the garage is a specialist they must test many 3.0 V6 Alfas so there shouldn't be any reason to harshly thrash your motor as they already know the performance of it. If it was a small, back street garage that generally dealt with 1.0-2.0 litre cars I can envisage some spotty mechanic abusing a 3.0 V6 Alfa, but that can't be the situation in your case if they are an Alfa specialist.
 
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it does seem like your clutch was on its last legs and like markos has said it prob was some spotty test pilot that has given your motor some stick. if they are open today i really would go down there, how can you have a service then pick up your car and the clutch is now juddering, the problem has occured whilst the car is in their care.
 

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When I first got the car, the clutch did feel very heavy to me, but then at the time I also had an injured and weakened left leg, so I think the effect for me was exagerated.

Since then, I just got used to it and over time it felt normal to me (also my leg was strengthening so the effect would be reduced). I was concerned at first so I got a friend, who used to be a rally car test driver, to test the clutch. He reckoned it was fine and just what would be expected from an Italian sports car.

When I say I just got used to it, I mean it really felt perfectly fine to me when I dropped it off. This is like the worst nightmare possible for getting your car serviced. It comes back worse than when you took it in. :(

I'll be honest - I never thrash it in first gear, so you could say I have been gentle on the clutch. My launch control is terrible in a car. I'm more used to motorbikes when it's effortless.

As soon as I sat in the car at the garage and pushed the clutch in it felt odd, but then I though it was my seating position.

wrt to the possible oil on the plates scenario, I've had a suggestion to try and burn it off by slipping the clutch for 10-20s with the handbrake on. Any thoughts?
 

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As soon as I pulled away from the garage after picking it up, the car had a massive judder in first gear. I presumed at first that they had adjusted the clutch and that it was just me getting used to it. When I got back to my flat, I phoned the garage and the guy told me they hadn't adjusted anything to do with the clutch (as it's hydraulic). It was a 72k service, but the car has about 56k miles.

It's always had a heavy clutch, but there was no clutch judder when I dropped it off this morning and now there is. Happens in all gears when engine braking too.

They've said they'll look at the car on Monday, but he insisted there was nothing they had done wrt to the clutch. What could it be and how could it have happened between me dropping it off this morning and picking it up tonight?:confused::(
Lose wheel bolts, Not refiting the driveshaft correctly, Engine mount loose, uneven fiting of the pressure plate or even a misfire could do it.
 

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OK, so I need a new clutch. :(

To try and keep the cost down I was going to try and order the clutch myself. The mechanic said to order a specific type rather than OEM. It was some Italian make beginning with (I think) an L. Anyone know what it would be and where the best place would be to order a clutch online?

Also, my brother mentioned I should think about replacing the thrust bearing at the same time as getting the clutch replaced, to kill two birds with one stone. Seeing as I don't even know what a clutch bearing is, I turn to the forum to ask if this is valid. Cheers! :)
 

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You will probably find that most aftermarket clutches you buy will be made by Valeo, who are the original equipment supplier.

I bought an LUK clutch for my Fiat Coupe from buypartsby and it was a Valeo clutch in an LUK box.
The clutch was identical the Valeo boxed item that cost £80 more..

Clutch kits will come with a release bearing and it should always be replaced when the clucth is canged.


www.buypartsby.com
 

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You will probably find that most aftermarket clutches you buy will be made by Valeo, who are the original equipment supplier.

I bought an LUK clutch for my Fiat Coupe from buypartsby and it was a Valeo clutch in an LUK box.
The clutch was identical the Valeo boxed item that cost £80 more..

Clutch kits will come with a release bearing and it should always be replaced when the clucth is canged.

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Symonh, is this just the clutch plate - or the whole kit, which i take includes the thrust bearing and flywheel?
 

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Symonh, is this just the clutch plate - or the whole kit, which i take includes the thrust bearing and flywheel?
It is the clutch cover plate (part with sprung fingers) , the release bearing and the drive (friction) plate.

It is everything you need to change the clutch basically.
 

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I looked at a few of the online shops and phoned a couple of teh places and it seems that the best price is Alfa Shop, which is a Valeo clutch for £167.33 inc VAT & p&p. Does that seem reasonable?

There was one site which advertised an LUK clutch for teh Spider for £30 less. Maybe it would be a Valeo clutch in a LUK box, but I'd rather not take the risk for the sake of £30.

The car has become too difficult to drive so I am going to be on the buses for the next week. :( I was having real trouble getting in to first gear last night. I'm booked in for the work next Friday.
 

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I looked at a few of the online shops and phoned a couple of teh places and it seems that the best price is Alfa Shop, which is a Valeo clutch for £167.33 inc VAT & p&p. Does that seem reasonable?

There was one site which advertised an LUK clutch for teh Spider for £30 less. Maybe it would be a Valeo clutch in a LUK box, but I'd rather not take the risk for the sake of £30.

The car has become too difficult to drive so I am going to be on the buses for the next week. :( I was having real trouble getting in to first gear last night. I'm booked in for the work next Friday.
Thinking about getting mine done. How many hours labour are we talking about here? I hope it's a lift and drop, not an engine out jobbie. :(
 

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Thinking about getting mine done. How many hours labour are we talking about here? I hope it's a lift and drop, not an engine out jobbie. :(
I think it's an engine out jobbie. 6.5h. I'm getting £75 off because *ahem* my clutch broke during a service. Hmmmm....
 

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In the spirit of sharing misery, my clutch replacement led to this which cost another £400, then as I was away to pick up the car tonight I got a call from the garage to say that they had fitted the new clutch and flywheel, put it all together, and the clutch was jammed solid. They don't know why, so they are having to take it all apart again.

I presume it is either bad workmanship or defective part. Either way I hope I find out fairly soon. Either way, I'm sure it will mean more money down the drain for me. It is all Valeo stuff.

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If the garage has c*cked up fitting the clutch they should fix it at their cost surely?
Yeah if they are the ones that cocked up for sure. Problem is that I sourced the clutch myself through Alfashop to try and save money, so if the clutch is the problem rather than the workmanship, then I probably have to pay for the extra work then try to get th emoney out of Alfashop/Valeo.

Joy.:(
 
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