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Dodge Hornet is to be launched in 2012 as a sedan/liftback using the C-US Wide platform. A pre-production prototype was built using a 1.4 turbo 170 engine. TCT will be available. AWD is a possible option. Exhaust will be Mopar 401 stainless. Hornet SRT will use Mopar tuning if higher dispacment chrysler engines are fitted, possibly the 2.4 tigershark turbo.
 

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All good, surely? They sell cars and make some money, perhaps bringing about an increase in interest and trust in the underlying mechanicals? Possible?
 

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That's pretty old stuff...
 

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Dodge Hornet is to be launched in 2012 as a sedan/liftback using the C-US Wide platform. A pre-production prototype was built using a 1.4 turbo 170 engine. TCT will be available. AWD is a possible option. Exhaust will be Mopar 401 stainless. Hornet SRT will use Mopar tuning if higher dispacment chrysler engines are fitted, possibly the 2.4 tigershark turbo.
So, is the C-US platform the Giulietta?

And then, which one will be the bigger Giulia
 

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So, is the C-US platform the Giulietta?
And then, which one will be the bigger Giulia
C-US is a wider variation of the Giulietta's "Compact" architecture, and either this variation, or an even larger one ("D Compact" has been mentioned) will be used for Giulia.

It's hard to pin down what "platform" is under these cars, because Compact is a modular architecture: it can be stretched in length or width to produce various sizes of vehicles from the Giulietta to the middle of the D-segment (159/Giulia). And, while there's nothing planned, it could be possible to make smaller vehicles too.

Giulia's dimensions are still unknown, except that it'll be around 4.8 metres long (according to Marchionne), a bit longer than 159.

The 159 was 4660 mm long, had a front track of 1590mm, and wheelbase of 2700mm; Giulietta's equivalent measures are 4341 long (if it had a boot it'd be the same length as 159), 1554 mm track and 2634 wheelbase. From the Giulietta mules with the welded-in bits, that Dodge looks to be around 1580 track x 2680 wheelbase (1" / 2.5 cm wider, 2"/5cm longer), but there may still be a bit more "stretch" in Compact.

Incidentally, the man leading the design on Giulia is Lorenzo Ramaciotti. He used to work at Pininfarina, where he knocked out stuff like this and this or this :)
 

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I love the 159, and am in the process of buying another... but the Giulia is long overdue, and lets face it the 159 isn't exactly 'roomy' in the back regardless of saloon or 'wagon format.

Lets hope these issues are addressed in the Giulia, and those front end woes on the Mito/Giulietta translate well on a larger front end!
 

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I love the 159, and am in the process of buying another... but the Giulia is long overdue, and lets face it the 159 isn't exactly 'roomy' in the back regardless of saloon or 'wagon format.

Lets hope these issues are addressed in the Giulia, and those front end woes on the Mito/Giulietta translate well on a larger front end!
If Lorenzo Ramaciotti is designing it I have high hopes it will be stunning ! he has an excellent track record.
 

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The mule is testing the AWD system for the alfa cuv "CXover". The new Dodge compact sedan/liftback apparently won't be named hornet but possibly dart. AWD may be standard on CXover and optional on dart.
 
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The chunky one is just a mule.


21st century car design isn't done by having-at existing models
with an angle-grinder and oxy-acetylene torch a la Monster Garage.


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Good to see the "Hornet" looks so much like a Giulietta.

Well, a 4 door Giulietta.

Okay, a 4 door sedan.

Well okay. It looks nothing like an Alfa at all. In any way.
Quelle surprise!
 

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C-US is a wider variation of the Giulietta's "Compact" architecture, and either this variation, or an even larger one ("D Compact" has been mentioned) will be used for Giulia.

It's hard to pin down what "platform" is under these cars, because Compact is a modular architecture: it can be stretched in length or width to produce various sizes of vehicles from the Giulietta to the middle of the D-segment (159/Giulia). And, while there's nothing planned, it could be possible to make smaller vehicles too.

Giulia's dimensions are still unknown, except that it'll be around 4.8 metres long (according to Marchionne), a bit longer than 159.

The 159 was 4660 mm long, had a front track of 1590mm, and wheelbase of 2700mm; Giulietta's equivalent measures are 4341 long (if it had a boot it'd be the same length as 159), 1554 mm track and 2634 wheelbase. From the Giulietta mules with the welded-in bits, that Dodge looks to be around 1580 track x 2680 wheelbase (1" / 2.5 cm wider, 2"/5cm longer), but there may still be a bit more "stretch" in Compact.

Incidentally, the man leading the design on Giulia is Lorenzo Ramaciotti. He used to work at Pininfarina, where he knocked out stuff like this and this or this :)
But it's not just the dimensions of the 159, it's also about the balance of the shapes. The 159 has more front overhang compared with the rear. It works as on overall package. Generally, the competition has way more rear overhang and often looks like the car is wearing a nappy (diaper). Stretching the wheelbase will be interesting without other compensation. But, as you infer, Ramaciotti knows how to put shapes together!
 

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Dodge Dart teaser pics up now on Autocars web site. It looks pretty good from what they are letting you see, it might be even better looking than the Alfa Giulietta
 

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Here's the teaser site

There's also this little bit of brandname checking:
Dodge said:
The all-new Dart is the first Chrysler Group vehicle based upon a Fiat architecture – adapted from the award-winning Alfa Romeo Giulietta. The Giulietta is renowned for satisfying the most demanding customers in terms of road-holding, agility and safety, with exceptional driving dynamics. The Dart leverages all of these attributes within a lengthened and widened platform delivering segment-leading levels of interior roominess.

The all-new Compact U.S. Wide (CUSW) architecture underpinning the Dart is a state-of-the-art architecture with an industry-leading 68 percent of the body composed of high-strength steel, resulting in a very strong and rigid structure. Combined with responsive steering, four-wheel independent suspension, and available 18-inch wheels, the Dart brings fun back to driving in the compact car segment.
That's the first time I've seen a manufacturer so explicitly call attention to their platform sharing. Usually, like VAG, they hint at it deep in the press-release or as part of the Q&A session before the test-drives, casino, champagne and hookers.

Following the success of the Freemont (Dodge Journey), it's been suggested that this car will get new front and back clips (like the Golf Mk "six") and be sold as a FIAT in Europe. "Freccetta", anyone? ;)
 

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It looks more like a Mitsubishi than an American Italian! :eek:
 

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Looks pretty good , the seats look really nice!
 
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