[AdamCup149]

Sorry guys!

Alfa Romeo : Alfa GTV Cup No.149, Q2, F1 Signed!

Full rebuild thread here:

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/motoring-images/288406-gtv-cup-no-149-repair-and-mods.html

Sorry for lowering the prices on the Cups but my dream Lancia Delta awaits!!

 

[steveisfrowning]

Bloody fabulous looking motor......and only this week the missus told me "you're not having a second car"



Good luck with the sale, Adam, it's a credit to you, that car.

 

[alfapash]

Looks gorgeous.Someone will snap it up.

 

[radicalmachine]

...after all that work as well! Buyer will get a peach

 

[AdamCup149]

Price drop £3700...

 

[KaizerG]

I wish I lived in the UK... that car would cost 3 times that price here in South Africa... although saying that I've been reading up on all the hoops you guys jump through just to get an MOT (we don't have such a thing here) so I suppose that contributes to the significant difference in price.

If I could somehow manage to convince the SA government to let me import your car I would take it in a heart beat

 

[Mr_Caine]

Nice looking motor I presume it's recorded as a write-off hence the price.

 

[In_The_Pass]

I wonder if a new MoT would help? You've done loads of work on it so it should pass easily and it may allay some of the fears people may have over the crash damage.

 

[Alfafamily]

I'm sorry but in my opinion the link to the "rebuild" thread is what is killing the ad. Within the first few photos you show the car with frontal damage and then being repaired with used parts. You will have lost 90% of potential buyers by that time.You then go on to say that the stickers are hiding bad paint and it needs a respray. Then the thread also shows an engine modified to the point of needing insurance notification. That will lose another good few buyers who struggle to insure V6 cars in the first place. I'm not criticizing the car at all, it looks great in the pictures. Just pointing out what I think might put off buyers. Give a little bit less info and try to get potential buyers to view the car, I'm sure anyone seeing it will want it.

 

[Mitch916]

I'm sorry but in my opinion the link to the "rebuild" thread is what is killing the ad. Within the first few photos you show the car with frontal damage and then being repaired with used parts. You will have lost 90% of potential buyers by that time.You then go on to say that the stickers are hiding bad paint and it needs a respray. Then the thread also shows an engine modified to the point of needing insurance notification. That will lose another good few buyers who struggle to insure V6 cars in the first place. I'm not criticizing the car at all, it looks great in the pictures. Just pointing out what I think might put off buyers. Give a little bit less info and try to get potential buyers to view the car, I'm sure anyone seeing it will want it.

Don't agree with any of this. The rebuild thread proves the damage was superficial. Used parts? so what, the whole car is used. Needs a respray but for that price, plenty of coppers in the piggybank to end up with fresh paint all over, better than most Cups on the road. Engine mod needing insurance notification? Missed that in the rebuild to be honest, enlighten me if you will.

 

[AdamCup149]

I'm sorry but in my opinion the link to the "rebuild" thread is what is killing the ad. Within the first few photos you show the car with frontal damage and then being repaired with used parts. You will have lost 90% of potential buyers by that time.You then go on to say that the stickers are hiding bad paint and it needs a respray. Then the thread also shows an engine modified to the point of needing insurance notification. That will lose another good few buyers who struggle to insure V6 cars in the first place. I'm not criticizing the car at all, it looks great in the pictures. Just pointing out what I think might put off buyers. Give a little bit less info and try to get potential buyers to view the car, I'm sure anyone seeing it will want it.

Hi
As above really, yes there was light damage to the front, and yes it was repaired with used parts, whats the point in wasting 4x the money just to say 'its had new parts'? New bonnets from Alfa are £500+...

Yes the stickers are hiding a few bits of laquer peel, however i am not asking for £5500-6000.

Not sure why you need to inform the insurance company, its just paint and a few replacement red hoses? No induction kits or engine mods?

No your last bit of advice is crap, why give less info and the buyer has a shock? Its better to be honest and upfront... :thumbs:

BTW just had it dyno'd on sat it made 235BHP and the dyno prints will come with the car. :thumbs:

 

[Alfafamily]

Don't agree with any of this. The rebuild thread proves the damage was superficial. Used parts? so what, the whole car is used. Needs a respray but for that price, plenty of coppers in the piggybank to end up with fresh paint all over, better than most Cups on the road. Engine mod needing insurance notification? Missed that in the rebuild to be honest, enlighten me if you will.

As Alfa owners and members of this forum we are well aware of the potential value of this car but not all buyers are members here and take a car at face value as described in the advert. What might not matter to us will matter to them is all I'm saying.

Non standard intake pipes would be enough for an insurance company to wriggle out of a high cost claim. So too would modified brakes and exhaust. They don't ask if the car has been made better or safer just whether it it is modified. Add together, the intake, exhaust and brake modifications and it really looks like a car that has been optimised for performance and I reckon you should be notifying the insurance company.

 

[Mitch916]

We will have to agree to disagree on this one

 

[Alfafamily]

Hi
As above really, yes there was light damage to the front, and yes it was repaired with used parts, whats the point in wasting 4x the money just to say 'its had new parts'? New bonnets from Alfa are £500+...

Yes the stickers are hiding a few bits of laquer peel, however i am not asking for £5500-6000.

Not sure why you need to inform the insurance company, its just paint and a few replacement red hoses? No induction kits or engine mods?

No your last bit of advice is crap, why give less info and the buyer has a shock? Its better to be honest and upfront... :thumbs:

BTW just had it dyno'd on sat it made 235BHP and the dyno prints will come with the car. :thumbs:

So where did this extra power come from? The stickers?
I was only trying to help, your car is cheaper already than any Cup I've seen. I hope you find a buyer soon.

 

[Alfafamily]

We will have to agree to disagree on this one

:thumbs: Fair play.

 

[AdamCup149]

I am not sure either tbh i was supprised too... :lol:

 

[Mr_Caine]

The ad looks honest but it's a buyers market and you've laid all the wrinkles out for a buyer to see. It's still a relatively high mileage car and there are standard GTVs that haven't been written-off, with lower mileage and without dodgy paint in better condition for the same sort of cash or less. I have no doubt it will find a buyer though.

 

[Alfafamily]

I am not sure either tbh i was supprised too... :lol:

It's come from your (Raggazon?) exhaust and your removal of the resonator boxes in the intake, plus the fact you have cleaned out all of the system to make use of them.. More air in, more exhaust out = more power. It's what everyone does it for.

 

[In_The_Pass]

The rebuild thread isn't putting me off. I don't have any problem with used body panels behing resprayed especially if they're not metal and new ones are likely to make the repair much more expensive.

If the oil cooler was plumbed in with new pipework then that's a common V6 failing addressed.

I was thinking about the handbag twirling over GTV V6 values here a fortnight or so ago now and a piece on TWT R4 News at 22.00. Oxfam are doing some trial with items for sale in their shops with tags so purchasers have more history or background of the items. Obviously the guy promoting the project has an agenda but he said 'We value things more if we know their history.' It's an interesting point. It applies to some cars and motorcycles? The provenance of used cars reinforces that opinion?

Perhaps Q2s lose less on the dyno?


Nice work Adam. I'm loving that SAAB turbo powering a RWD car too.

 

[driver33p4]

Nah. Its just that dynos measure bhp at the wheels and they make a calculation of the likely bhp at the flywheel (not in their interest to have low readings, just be consistent).

Must be running well though. They won't be that far out so you must be pretty close to original factory output - sign of a well looked after engine

Good luck with the sale. It is still a bit of a bargain!