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It amazes me how car manufacturers spend hours of research, development and then testing in all sorts of different conditions to arrive at a sensible compromise for the set up of a car. In Alfa's case there is also a century of development work to which to refer.

You then get geniuses who come along and, based on what a different manufacturer has done with a car or for whatever other reason, decide they know better and modify the car, for example, by fitting inappropriate tyres, wheels, etc.

When they end up nose or tail first in a tree or a wall and survive to tell the tale, they will inevitably blame the car!

Rant over!
 
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thats part of the fun when ur a nipper...getting your first car and making it look like a christmas tree and sounding like a nuclear explosion....
 
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Are we talking about Barry-type work here or modifications in general. If the former, they were going to end up in a ditch anyway, the massively lowered suspension and 19" wheels just means they hit the ditch backwards instead of upside down. Kids play with cars. I did, but I did it with a MKII Escort and a Capri.

The more performance orientated work has been going on for 60 years and will probably carry on until it's illegal (and beyond). Car makers have to consider every customer, along with emissions, safety etc. This entails a fair amount of compromise. For the 1% who aren't happy with the standard settings, there's always scope to stiffen the suspension, release a bit more grunt etc to make the car the one you wanted rather than the one you wanted to have.
 
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It amazes me how car manufacturers spend hours of research, development and then testing in all sorts of different conditions to arrive at a sensible compromise for the set up of a car. In Alfa's case there is also a century of development work to which to refer.

You then get geniuses who come along and, based on what a different manufacturer has done with a car or for whatever other reason, decide they know better and modify the car, for example, by fitting inappropriate tyres, wheels, etc.

When they end up nose or tail first in a tree or a wall and survive to tell the tale, they will inevitably blame the car!

Rant over!
Cars are made to a budget. and that means that the parts chosen are generally not the very best that could be used. They're good, they do their job, but they can be improved upon.

And that's what serious mods are about. Taking the stuff that can be improved upon, and doing so. Better tyres, better suspension, stronger, more fade resistant brakes, improved throttle response, changing the ECU for performance better suited to the individual, stronger, lighter parts.

Every car in the world (with perhaps the exception of a few select supercars) can be improved upon after it leaves the factory (if you've the cash to do the job properly)
 
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Hmmmm, is this thread directed solely at one individual member of the forum...? :lol:
 
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It amazes me how car manufacturers spend hours of research, development and then testing in all sorts of different conditions to arrive at a sensible compromise for the set up of a car. In Alfa's case there is also a century of development work to which to refer.

You then get geniuses who come along and, based on what a different manufacturer has done with a car or for whatever other reason, decide they know better and modify the car, for example, by fitting inappropriate tyres, wheels, etc.

When they end up nose or tail first in a tree or a wall and survive to tell the tale, they will inevitably blame the car!

Rant over!
Oi, that's my rant.

The fitting of massive wheels for "styling" reasons when their increased weight impairs the suspension's operation is my favourite.
 

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On many cars there is a massive amount of improvement that can be done.


If you have driven a 156 V6 on standard suspension you will realise Alfa do get it wrong sometimes. ;)

A set of coilovers will transform the car.

Things like that if fitted as standard would make the car so expensive to make that its selling price wouldn't be competetive.


By the way, I am so glad I ditched my factory fit stereo, I could have kept the standard one in and kept the car original, but my listening experience would have been so much worse for it.




I do agree that modifications need to be tasteful though. No Barryboy efforts on my car please. :)
 

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i can think of numerous places to "stick it", and its not on my car:lol:nerner:

cars are built to a budget and a very big compromise as they have to cover everyone. even my schui gp had to be developed with normal people in mind, despite being developed by prodrive. lower eibachs than it had and front and rear struts and it was an animal. much better cornering. was very very stiff but i dont mind that, but im not everyone.

i will modify my car whether you like it or not chuckynerner::lol:
 
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i can think of numerous places to "stick it", and its not on my car:lol:nerner:

cars are built to a budget and a very big compromise as they have to cover everyone. even my schui gp had to be developed with normal people in mind, despite being developed by prodrive. lower eibachs than it had and front and rear struts and it was an animal. much better cornering. was very very stiff but i dont mind that, but im not everyone.

i will modify my car whether you like it or not chuckynerner::lol:
To be honest AR, I think the entire post was a dig at that mad bazzer that started yelling at everyone about wanting BMW wheels on his car or something, :lol:

He had 345/40/15"s on the rear, and 180/60/14"s on the front, :thumbs:
 

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To be honest AR, I think the entire post was a dig at that mad bazzer that started yelling at everyone about wanting BMW wheels on his car or something, :lol:

He had 345/40/15"s on the rear, and 180/60/14"s on the front, :thumbs:
imagine the understeer on a front wheel drve car:eek::lol:

im still shouting back though:mad:

























:cheese::lol:nerner:
 

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modifying is fun. if companies developements werent better than the OE fitted stuff from the factory then there wouldnt be a market for them :)
 

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I do chuckle when I drive past one lol
 

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i can think of numerous places to "stick it", and its not on my car:lol:nerner:

cars are built to a budget and a very big compromise as they have to cover everyone. even my schui gp had to be developed with normal people in mind, despite being developed by prodrive. lower eibachs than it had and front and rear struts and it was an animal. much better cornering. was very very stiff but i dont mind that, but im not everyone.

i will modify my car whether you like it or not chuckynerner::lol:
You admitting that you're not normal then?:lol::thumbs:
 
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