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Hi all

My Cambelt snapped today on my 2003 Alfa 147 1.6 lusso, but I've checked the service history and the belt was changed at 58,000 in 2008 car has now done 86,000 and the service book says trimming belt every 72,000 and my car hasn't done that many miles since last one, I'm assuming that it's every 72,000 or 5 years which ever comes first as first one was done when car was 5 years old at main dealer, the car has full history and only once went elsewhere as previous owner took it kwikfit for a full service and mot in nov 2010 I bought car dec 2011 and it had just had a service and mot, and now the poor car is not well.

As the car has been serviced upto date in accordance with the service book at main Alfa dealers is there any come back here, as I could end up with a massive bill now, as when the AA turned up they tried turning the key etc to see why it had just stopped working and my mechanic said that by trying to start it could of caused more damage so I could get a bill for over a grand because some one has done there job properly, I personally think the belt was never changed in the first place at Reg Vardy

I have heard someone say alfa changed the intervals but surely an Alfa dealer would know this and update the service book etc

Anyone help or have any ideas....
 

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Hi mate,

Sorry to hear that.

Alfa Romeo changed the intervals too 3-years/36000miles. I'm shocked the dealers didn't mention anything, but then again, you don't hear great things about the Alfa main dealers!
 

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Well we gotta new 11 plate fiat punto too and the dealer we got it from does Alfa, fiat and ford and when I got this little 147 I got them to do a winter check for me, they checked the history etc and didn't say anything about cambelts, so now at a small independent garage in Malvern who do all makes and hopefully they can fix it for a reasonable price,

Just looking through the service book the car was serviced in August 2006 at the supplying dealer and from looking on here the interval change happened in June 2006 so they should've done it then, as if they had it would of been done again in 2009 and then be due late this year, but now my car is poorly and not my fault for once...
 

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Well we gotta new 11 plate fiat punto too and the dealer we got it from does Alfa, fiat and ford and when I got this little 147 I got them to do a winter check for me, they checked the history etc and didn't say anything about cambelts, so now at a small independent garage in Malvern who do all makes and hopefully they can fix it for a reasonable price,

Just looking through the service book the car was serviced in August 2006 at the supplying dealer and from looking on here the interval change happened in June 2006 so they should've done it then, as if they had it would of been done again in 2009 and then be due late this year, but now my car is poorly and not my fault for once...

Any good dealer would have mentioned this. And with them being the experts it really is shocking. It's similar to when they only replace the cambelt & not bother with any of the other belts or items in that area because you haven't mentioned it!

Get yourself a nice little garage that you can trust & stick to that, i like independent garages. And I don't know if there's anything you can do but I'd of expected them to mention this whilst doing a check. If not just for the common sense.
 

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You seemed to have slipped through the net as alot of people do with CAM belt snap-age.

This is my advice to make it as cheap as possible for you to repair. Firstly get a second-hand head (you can use any Twinspark engine head 1.6 1.8 or 2.0 providing its the 120hp engine) get the head skimmed.
Next source a CAM belt kit to include tensioners, and a set of Big End Bearings (i recommend you change these as they can get damaged due to the impact of the pistons hitting the head)

And make sure who ever does the work uses Cam locking tools and the necessary tool to do the Job right first time.
See my link below fo some tips.
 
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Unfortunately the OP only bought the car in Dec 2011 so we dont know what advice the dealer gave in 2006 or indeed later. Quite possible the then owner was advised to change the belt but chose not too.

Also quite possible the previous owner got rid cos the belt was due.

To OP - do you know when the belt was last changed ?
 

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Th OP states:
Belt changed in 2008 at 58k
Belt snaps in 2012 at 85k.
Considering the 36k or 3 year change interval...
...the belt has lasted 27k miles and if the belt was done in December, then it's only 1 month over. I really don't think that you could lay blame at anybody at this point.

1. Check why the belt snapped. Could be a number of reasons,
2. Investigate level of damage,
3. Have any repair carried out by someone who knows Alfa TS engines and has all of the correct tools!
 

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Well myself and previous owner whom I know both use Bristol street motors in Worcester who we bought out new fiat from and have been a customer of Bristol streets for a fair few years, the chap I got the car off, bought off a man in Stockport in 2009 just after it had been serviced by kwikfit :( but my pal still had the car checked over by the rac when he decided to buy it and he is the most anal retentive chap I know when it comes to cars, which I why I bought this off him, he only had to sell it as his wife had had triplets and the var just wasn't practical for him anymore, and he was so upset when he gave me the keys as he loved the car so much, he had spent quiet a bit making sure it was in mint condition.

He had the car serviced in nov when the mot was due so had it done at the same time and if it had needed Cambelt he would of either told me or had it done.

He's as shocked as I am that it snapped this morning

And the garage who have got the car don't specialise in any make but they have a few other workshops in the same est so between everyone theres lots of knowledge, I've seen the right parts on eBay for £100 if it just the belt but if it's more than that then Malvern rebore are next door to these guys and they can repair the head, but so far been quoted max £900 to fix so it's borderline weather it's worth repairing or not

The car is mint apart from this Cambelt thing :(

The belt was last changed in 2008 At reg Vardy Alfa in Stockport

But as I say the book says every 72,000 :( so when dealers tell u it's not due then you don't replace it lol
 
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Th OP states:
Belt changed in 2008 at 58k
Belt snaps in 2012 at 85k.
You are correct - my fault I hadnt read the opening post properly.

May well be as I said earlier that the previous owner sold the car knowing the belt was (over)due
 

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hi had belt snap on my 145..20,000 miles too early...belt was done at reg vardy in darlington as i checked previous owners receipt...well when i had it checked by alfa rusper they said that old reg changed belt but not tensioners etc and hey presto i got repair bill for 1200..thanks reg wxxxxxs!
i phoned reg vardy and they basically denied it and alfa customer care did not do jack so i just had to swallow...but im not bitter...signed lemon xx
 

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i reckon they employ monkeys literally and train them up using alfa cambelts as a basic foundation...well thats my theory!but seriously i know what a bad day it is when this happens but three years down the line and ive almost moved on and the 145 cloey hit 130 the other day so i think she has definately moved on..cheer up or give up:)
 

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could this be because of dealers inflated prices owners are advised at time they need doing but they need your other arm to pay for tensioners idlers and waterpump ...so owner says just do belt ...sell their car to some one,, who has stamp saying cam belt replaced and think happy days for 3 or 4 yrs years then it snaps be my thoughts
 

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Does anyone recommend a cam belt kit that will be good quality with tensioners etc as I really like this car and only had a short while so need to fix it really even if the head needs work etc
 

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every time I read the post related to the cam belt, I will strongly concern about mine as I changed my jtd cam belt last year but hadn't change the water pump, although I requested to change as well.
 

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So are people saying that the water pump should be changed as well as the belts and pullys and tensioners??

This bill is getting bigger lol
 

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Yep, change the water pump to be on the safe side, it's not too pricey, and will give you piece of mind. Tensioners and idlers sometimes come as part of the belt kit.

Might also be an idea to assess the variator too if like me you have the diesel rattle on startup
 

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I've just spoke with a garage in pershore called NJS ALFA they specialise in Alfa and fiat they can do the repair for simalar money to the little garage I've taken it too and sort out. Some other known issues which the current garage wouldn't evn know about and as you guys on here have said, I need someone who knows these engines really so it don't all go wrong again :( but just trying to see the cost of having the car moved 18 miles from Malvern

Has anyone had any dealings with NJS ???
 

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Yes, they have just done the cam & aux belts etc on my 2.5 156. They got my n/s sill repaired and painted as well, top job. Neil at NJS races Alfas. They also service & repair a lot of other exotic Italian stuff also.:cool:
 
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