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I seem to remember a thread a while back saying the jtd is a none inteference engine? So no bent valves possibly.
 

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I seem to remember a thread a while back saying the jtd is a none inteference engine? So no bent valves possibly.
Wrong.
The pistons hit the valves and break the rockers (which are designed to break first).
 

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Don't quite know where I heard that from then.:lol: I did say possibly though. Sorry dude. Didn't mean to get your hopes up.:(
 

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Sorry to hear about this fergie69. Let us know whether it's cambelt/tensioner failure or whether the waterpump seized?

Also worth asking if Alfa Romeo will meet the bill, if you have full service history etc. The cambelt change is 72,000 miles/five years (whichever comes first), worth asking if you fall within these parameters. Good luck.
 

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It has the services up to 60K and was going to call to arrange the 72K in the next week or so, Which is the most annoying thing about it.

Does anyone think i would have any chance of a claim being successful ? Alfa are not usually the best at this sort of thing.

Car is at Monzasports for an assesment just now. Will let you all know the outcome when i do !
 

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It has the services up to 60K and was going to call to arrange the 72K in the next week or so, Which is the most annoying thing about it.

Does anyone think i would have any chance of a claim being successful ? Alfa are not usually the best at this sort of thing.

Car is at Monzasports for an assesment just now. Will let you all know the outcome when i do !
If you have full Alfa Romeo dealer service history you have a strong case. The service intervals of 12,000 miles/12 months need to be on the spot though (with a tolerance of 1,000 miles/1 month either way). Even if you have specialist servicing it's worth a go. I wouldn't just pay for it without a call to ARUK. Good luck.
 

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Update! Car has done all the rockers and the Tensioner seems to have been the cause of the snapped belt. Fuel injectors and pipes caused problems getting cover off. Resulting in one injector getting mullered and new pipes needed too. :(
Have managed to start a claim with Alfa and i'm waiting on them calling to discuss with Monzasport and myself.
 
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Good luck fella. Happened to my 147 and Alfa stumped up half the bill despite being out of warranty but still failed 10k early, keep plugging away and you should get somewhere with them.

They would have given 80% if it was done at an Alfa garage, 50% at an independant garage, works out I would have paid about the same comparing Alfa and indie labour rates.

Good luck!
 

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Update! Car has done all the rockers and the Tensioner seems to have been the cause of the snapped belt. Fuel injectors and pipes caused problems getting cover off. Resulting in one injector getting mullered and new pipes needed too. :(
Have managed to start a claim with Alfa and i'm waiting on them calling to discuss with Monzasport and myself.
Yes good luck with the claim. It is apparantly rare for the belt/tensioner to fail on the JTD engines (the main problem as you know is waterpump bearings seizing). Hope you get it sorted and ARUK cover the costs, as clearly you have the correct service history and you were going to get the running gear changed to schedule before this happened!

Let us know what happens!
 

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It has the services up to 60K and was going to call to arrange the 72K in the next week or so, Which is the most annoying thing about it.

Does anyone think i would have any chance of a claim being successful ? Alfa are not usually the best at this sort of thing.
If the car is under 5 years old with all the servicings on time then you need to contact ARUK, if not then you don't have a hope.
 

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ALFA CALLED BACK TO SAY THEY WERE NOT GOING TO PAY ANYTHING TOWARDS THE BILL. :mad: :mad: :mad:

The reason they gave was that the mileage was near enough to 72K not to pay out for the failure.

Not happy one bit, He said to write to the MD direct to compalin which i have now by email. If you state something last til the 72K service then it should , not just 'near enough' :rant: :rant: :rant:
Keith at Monzasport going to call them as well.

Bloody typical Alfa Romeo response tho, Stick ther heads in the sand and ignore the problem. Useless gits!
 

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Reproduced from the water pump thread, hope it helps?

OK guys, there is obviously a manufacturing problem with the water pumps and regardless of the warranty period stipulated by the manufacturer you still have consumer rights under UK legislation. ASH 6812, as you appear to be the most recent “victim” of this problem and are in contact with ARUK you need to Google Sale of Goods Act 1979 and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002.

Basically under these two pieces of legislation manufacturers have to supply equipment that is fit for purpose. Cam belts are documented as items that require replacement at a defined interval and even if a car is outside the warranty but inside the prescribed interval it is possible to reclaim costs on the basis the item is not fit for purpose as documented. The water pump has no defined period for replacement but it is not unreasonable to expect it to last more than 40-72000 miles.

There are a couple of provisos attached with all of this. The case is made stronger if the car has been serviced at an official Alfa dealership iaw the service schedule and has done ‘reasonable’ mileage. You are not likely to win a claim if the car has done 80K+. I say win because once you have requested Alfa to pay for the repairs quoting the above in writing, they will naturally decline, you have to register a money claim (use to be known as small claims court) against the garage that supplied the car or ARUK, but the former is the usual method. If the supplier is an Alfa dealer they will get the full backing of Alfa who will end up paying the bill. Before taking action against them you must write another letter stating it is a “Letter Before Final Action” that outlines your case against them and inviting them to make a “long lasting and effective repair”. It is also well worth contacting your local trading standards office to discuss the matter with them although they may have little experience of dealing with a technical matter such as this they should still provide guidance on the protocol.

If it gets to the stage of registering a money claim (can be done on line, see link below) it is well worth the money. The charges vary depending on the amount of the claim, but for this something like £50-£75. With the evidence on this site alone Alfa will not want to go to court. I have taken this action against 2 car manufacturers (not Alfa) and have settled out of court on both occasions. If anyone has knowledge of a Technical Service Bulletin issued to dealers about the water pump problem it would be very useful! Good luck! We will know if you have been successful because if they settle out of court you will be required to sign a gagging order!

https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp

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ALFA CALLED BACK TO SAY THEY WERE NOT GOING TO PAY ANYTHING TOWARDS THE BILL.

The reason they gave was that the mileage was near enough to 72K not to pay out for the failure.

Not happy one bit, He said to write to the MD direct to compalin which i have now by email. If you state something last til the 72K service then it should , not just 'near enough'
Keith at Monzasport going to call them as well.

Bloody typical Alfa Romeo response tho, Stick ther heads in the sand and ignore the problem. Useless gits!

This is a totally unacceptable response from ARUK, but not surprising:rolleyes:

Clearly, the ARUK budget for 'goodwill' payments is used up, or perhaps the allocation has been 'squeezed' from cash-strapped Alfa Milano HQ?

'The Bishop' gives good advice above. Continue putting pressure on ARUK (obviously Keith at Monzasport is on your side), if you have no luck seek legal advice.

If you have 100% service history then I'm sure the legal advice will be on your side. But honestly, how can ARUK rebuild its business in the UK with an attitude like this?
 

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Sadly, this is a fairly typical Alfa response:tut: And the wonder why they get a bad name:rolleyes:
 
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