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hi all;)
well today our brera has gone into limp mode with these warning lights
have engine checked
ASR check
VDC check
hill holder fail
flashing fuel gauge (but mrs melv had just put £50 in it)
any ideas guys:confused:
 

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ok i bought a new battery and the car is still running very rough,
with all the warning lights now there is a fuel light with a line across it.
im wondering if there was somthing wrong with the deisel we bought from
sainburys.it was definatly deisel we put in and not petrol as we still have the reciept.
 

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In my case (identical symptoms on a 2.4 JTDm) it was a bad connection to one of the injectors. (I don't think Nev does oil burners, which may influence his thinking)

I was told by the engineer who fixed it that even if this is an intermittent fault the open circuit causes massive voltage spikes to be sent back along the wiring to the ECU and it all goes wrong as you describe. Your dealer/AA person can read the fault codes to tell what has gone wrong, and you should avoid running the car for too long in this state because it could cause damage.
 

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In my case (identical symptoms on a 2.4 JTDm) it was a bad connection to one of the injectors. (I don't think Nev does oil burners, which may influence his thinking)

I was told by the engineer who fixed it that even if this is an intermittent fault the open circuit causes massive voltage spikes to be sent back along the wiring to the ECU and it all goes wrong as you describe. Your dealer/AA person can read the fault codes to tell what has gone wrong, and you should avoid running the car for too long in this state because it could cause damage.
many thanks my good man. i'll get my elm lead out.;)
 

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Another option, clutch pedal sensor malfunction.
 

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Another option, clutch pedal sensor malfunction.
hhmmmm, interesting the clutch pedal does ride very low and i have to pull it back up with my foot.
im going to book it in at jjb's for a dpf delete and ask them to have a look at it.:thumbs:
 

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Check that the battery connections are tight and if you can find the earth check it is ok. Asr/vdc/hill holder are the same system but fuel gauge obviously isn't. Also check that all the fuses are sitting tight. I had folding mirrors and electic windows fail on me one night which I accidently resolved by pulling out the fuses to check and reseating them.
 

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ok well got to the bottom of the problem, yesterday trailered the brera to jjb's at york to have a look at it for me, had a call off them a few hours later to say that it was no 1 injecter, and to fix it with labour charges the bill would be around £700 mark:wow:
anyway i did not pay this extortionate amount, and trailored it to an indy garage near me,
they have fixed it for £100.;)
dastocks was right, it was the wiring to the injecter in the end , so if it happens to anyone
eles thats what the problem is.
 

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don't feel bad nev i was asking for peoples views of what the problem could be, you gave your theory ,and the new battery ruled that out. no drama mate.i appreciate you trying to help.:)
 

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It was the no 1 injector connection for me too - I wonder if there is something that makes that particular connector more likely to break? The AA pulled the connector off and put it back and the car ran normally for about 5 miles. Monza Sport re-made the connector in around 30 minutes, and the 4th year warranty paid for it.

It does show what a bunch of muppets some dealers can be: they would have charged you £700 for a new injector, and (assuming they didn't fix the connector) the problem would still have been there ...
 

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jjb knew it was the wiring (but didn't declare it) and was prepared to charge for reconditioning my injecter, and £65 an hour labour charges.im sure they will be reading this thread and be along soon to put their side across.
 

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I will call you tomorrow. What you have posted here is incorrect and not what we told you. When did we quote you £700??????:mad:

When did £592 inc VAT suddenly become £700 for diagnosis and repair???????????

Accusing us of trying to rip you off is bang out of order!

If we had found the wiring to be faulty we would of repaired it, seen as it needs an injector that is why we told you it needs an injector!
 

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Oh dear! Apologies for any offense I may have caused. I only named the dealer who sorted me out, whilst melv named JJB Motors.

However, in the interests of a level playing field, could the poster from JJB Motors please indicate the basis (i.e. fault codes and description) upon which they diagnosed the requirement for a new injector? - we can then compare notes with the very satisfactory experience I had.
 

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the person on the phone said somthing like £680 which is only £20 off of £700.
phone will be on.
 

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the person on the phone said somthing like £680 which is only £20 off of £700.
phone will be on.
It was me you spoke too I said £592 inc vat for the total. I also broke it down in to parts labour with and without vat!

I also told you what we had done, check wiring to injector, fuel correction values on examiner, and injector return test! This showed injector no.1 to be way out and to need replacing.
 

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It was me you spoke too I said £592 inc vat for the total. I also broke it down in to parts labour with and without vat!

I also told you what we had done, check wiring to injector, fuel correction values on examiner, and injector return test! This showed injector no.1 to be way out and to need replacing.
There were a number of fault codes reported for my injector as well, but the advice (dealer, other diesel injection specialists, and even this forum if you look hard enough) is that wiring faults will cause perfectly good injectors to be condemned by the engine management system.

Both melv & I experienced ASR, VDC, Hill Holder and fuel gauge faults. Would you have replaced all that as well?
 
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