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Hello everyone. I must admit having a weak spot for the Brera. I'm seriously considering a 3.2 Q4. There are currently two for sale in Argentina.

First car is a red 2006, manual, 17" alloys, skywindow roof. Pretty stock elsewhere.

The other car is a black 2010, Automatic 18" (8C style) wheels, red leather.

Both are low mileage cars, well cared for, with silly asking prices, as usual in our country!

It will be intended to do the daily conmute, about 30 miles a day, mostly motorways, and the occasional track day with fellow Alfa lovers. Fuel is not a concern, these are driver's cars after all.

I do prefer the interior and wheels of the newer car, but have reserves about the Auto box.

What are your opinions on the Auto box?
Does it get reasonably fast gearchanges?
What about the paddle shifters, are they worth the pain?
Do you feel an auto is a match to a manual?
Is the box reliable enough?
Does it make sense with the Q4 transmission?

thanks a lot and keep the interesting chat out there!

Diego
 

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I have a 3.2 Q4 Auto (Q Tronic) Spider, I haven't driven a manual Spider for comparison, but from my experience, the auto box is fine for cruising around with and seems ok when abusing alittle, the gear changes are still probably quicker than what I would manage with a manual box, but they are not as good as the semi auto Giulietta TCT I have. The car will sometimes lurch forward alittle when changing up (not that hard, but noticeable sometimes).
As for grip, the Q4 system seems to give the car a great confidence that with cars I have driven before - all front wheel drive - has never been there. You'll be amazed how much speed can be carried through corners! If your using it for track work though, I'm not sure it would suit you?
As for the paddle shifters, mine has not got them, but the semi auto using the gear shift seems to work well enough if you wanted to use it that way.
I'm really happy with mine, its nice and relaxing, with a fantastic soundtrack when you let the V6 loose.
Here is mine, its a 2008 model in the UK:




 

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Thank you for your comments.
Very clear appraisal.
Didn'know that there are automatics without paddle shifters!
Very nice car you have!
I still have other toys to go into tracks, just wondering what it's real value in anger!

I undestand it's a GT, not a track car, but surely must be entertaining enough.

Thanks again

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Thank you for your comments.
Very clear appraisal.
Didn'know that there are automatics without paddle shifters!
Very nice car you have!
I still have other toys to go into tracks, just wondering what it's real value in anger!

I undestand it's a GT, not a track car, but surely must be entertaining enough.

Thanks again

Diego
Im sure most don't come with paddle shifters, but check this, Breras could be different to Spiders. As long as you look at it as a GT car and you don't expect something that is nimble (coming from lowered/stiffened Vauxhall/Opel cars), I'm sure you'll love it. And yes, its still entertaining enough (for me at least) when the mood takes you and you start pushing on in the bends, even with the auto gearbox.
Best way is to test drive them if you can.
 

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Im sure most don't come with paddle shifters, but check this, Breras could be different to Spiders. As long as you look at it as a GT car and you don't expect something that is nimble (coming from lowered/stiffened Vauxhall/Opel cars), I'm sure you'll love it. And yes, its still entertaining enough (for me at least) when the mood takes you and you start pushing on in the bends, even with the auto gearbox.
Best way is to test drive them if you can.
Thank you for your reply. I actually drove the car. It has the paddle shifter. Surely I'm thinking of it as a GT and not as an outright sports car.

IS the auto limited to around 6200 revs instead of 7200 on the manual car as I read somewhere.

I feel it's going to be my next car!
 

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You don't mention what the actual mileage on the two cars are - but, I would be more concerned about service history - and in particular the oil change intervals on a V6.
Even the standard recommended service intervals are not enough to safeguard against the cam chain stretching on these cars. And you DO NOT want to have to fork out for a cam chain job out of your own pocket in a country like Argentina - done with genuine Alfa parts and through an Alfa dealership, the cost will be astronomical. The cost for this has sky-rocketed in the last few years.
Just giving you a 'heads-up' on that - make sure you check out service history via the VIN number through an Alfa workshop before purchasing.
 

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You don't mention what the actual mileage on the two cars are - but, I would be more concerned about service history - and in particular the oil change intervals on a V6.
Even the standard recommended service intervals are not enough to safeguard against the cam chain stretching on these cars. And you DO NOT want to have to fork out for a cam chain job out of your own pocket in a country like Argentina - done with genuine Alfa parts and through an Alfa dealership, the cost will be astronomical. The cost for this has sky-rocketed in the last few years.
Just giving you a 'heads-up' on that - make sure you check out service history via the VIN number through an Alfa workshop before purchasing.
Thank you Veloce.

Quoted mileage in the Auto is 61.000Km, the Manual car shows 39.000km, so not high milers. Service history is a must, I agree.

The importer is keen to show service histories, so no concern there.

Besides,in Argentina we do have several reputed Alfa specialists, often way better than the official dealerships. Some of them, even trained in Italy in small "officinas", italian heritage being still strong in our country...
Service cost is not an issue because labour cost is reasonable, even today. At least much reasonable than the Price of parts and that of the actual car!

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Thank you for your reply. I actually drove the car. It has the paddle shifter. Surely I'm thinking of it as a GT and not as an outright sports car.

IS the auto limited to around 6200 revs instead of 7200 on the manual car as I read somewhere.

I feel it's going to be my next car!
Mine only revs to about 6500, could be 6200, so that is correct. My Giulietta TCT only revs to 6000!:furious:
Gutted as I remember the glorious noise the Twin Spark used to make at over 7000!
 

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Mine only revs to about 6500, could be 6200, so that is correct. My Giulietta TCT only revs to 6000!:furious:
Gutted as I remember the glorious noise the Twin Spark used to make at over 7000!
Yep. It's a shame the Auto only revs to 6500 pr so. I read is to protect the proprietary auto box.

Of course on the road test I never got it beyond 5000. Not my car yet!

Strong brakes I feel. Have to deal with the weight of the car, don't know if they last or fade appears soon however.

I'm going to post some pics asap.

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Yep. It's a shame the Auto only revs to 6500 pr so. I read is to protect the proprietary auto box.

Of course on the road test I never got it beyond 5000. Not my car yet!

Strong brakes I feel. Have to deal with the weight of the car, don't know if they last or fade appears soon however.

I'm going to post some pics asap.

Regards
Between 5000 - 6000 is where it sounds its best. The brakes will depend on the pads/discs/fluid. Mine had some nasty cheap pads on the front, used to fade very quickly when braking hard. Changed the discs and pads and I don't have any problems, have the oem type brembo pads in now.
 
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