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I have to make my own brake pipes to replace the "no-longer-availables" :rolleyes: on Tarquini.

I have a bender :D and a flaring kit and some little brake nuts, though I forgot to order the actual brake pipe just yet.. :eek:

But how does the flarer work? I have something that looks like a puller (thumb-screw) with a pointy pointed bit on the end .. and a "stocks" thing which looks I should clamp the pipe into.

There's also some little black dies, which seem to have a stub that will fit inside the brake pipe.

My thought (can't try it yet obviously :) ) is that I clamp the pipe in the stocks.. stick the die in the end of the pipe and then compress the die using the thumbscrew, to give me a double flare :confused:

Does anyone know what I'm talking about? :D
Will I die horribly in a fiery, brake-failure induced crash? :eek:
How's it work then? :confused:

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There's also some little black dies, which seem to have a stub that will fit inside the brake pipe.

My thought (can't try it yet obviously :) ) is that I clamp the pipe in the stocks.. stick the die in the end of the pipe and then compress the die using the thumbscrew, to give me a double flare :confused:

Ralf S.
You have it pretty much correct.

Clamp the pipe, you will need to adjust the "Stocks" first to get the correct grip. Too little and it will slip, too much and it will dig into the pipe.

Then you fit the correct sized die for the pipe, and then screw the tool down. This will make the flare. This will be the correct sort of flare to fit into the brake hoses.

You can also make an open ended flare on the pipe by screwing the pointed part of the tool into the end of the pipe without the dies.

The amount that sticks out from the stock, is quite critical but I found it a matter of trial and error to get it right. You will need to practice on a few off cuts of pipe until you get it right.


And don't forget to thread the brake pipe fittings over the pipe before flaring the second end. ;)
 

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If you are asking these kind of questions Ralf, I would take your car to a garage and get the job done properly - your braking system is kinda important and the last thing you want is failure at any time. Personally I wouldn't use that type of flaring kit - the proper tools are more expensive but they are more likely to give you a proper flare.

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Proper tools? :eek: Is the thumbscrew, die and clamp doodah not the pukka instruments?

I think when I have the actual brake pipe I can try it out and see what the results look like. If my flares look nothing like the regular OE flares I'll have to just concentrate on getting the length and shape of the pipe right, then get someone who knows how to do it, to do the flaring.. Just fancied having a go at it.. I can't see it's toooo difficult, as long as I can work out how to do it in the first place... :D


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I have never had a problem with my flaring tool.

People have been using them for years, especially for making pipes on classic cars.


It certainly isn't difficult to flare pipes, but there is a knack.
 

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Are you talking DIY flaring tools, rather than a professional one say a Sykes Pickavant? The El cheapos do a reasonable job on softer materials, copper/ aluminium, but steel tubing needs the real gear.

Guess it's copper so just keep practising on short lengths cut from the coil you have bought, until you develope the knack?

I replaced all the pipes with copper on her indoors run about Pug a few years back, and when it went in for it's MoT, the guy said I'd done a great job! So I says just gimme' the ticket mate, never mind the old flannel!:D

No bending tool employed, just two thumbs and forefingers.:lol:Bragging again Zed....Yerst'. Wanna' see my fingers and thumbs when it comes to manipulating those nipples? :cheese:
 

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Aye! I fancy the copper-nickel pipe as I like the colour of it compared to regular copper :rolleyes:

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I can just try it and see what the result comes out like. Luckily all the bits (bender, clamp, thmbscrew, pipes, nipples etc.) are just a few quid so it's not a bank-breaker to practice it till I have or don't have the knack.

I'll maybe write it up with some photos.. so people can see what a regular punter can achieve.. :D

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I would use something like this

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Professional-...UK_Measuring_Tools_Levels?hash=item2c4faf1215

over something like this

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRAKE-PIPE-FL...tZUK_Hand_Tools_Equipment?hash=item58857f87a0

any day of the week, but then that's just my opinion. Montecarlo brakes aren't good in standard form at the best of times, and I quite like my car so I'm not prepared to take the risk. It's not a difficult job to do, as long as you take your time and careful not to kink the pipe on bends - you can use a broom handle, screwdriver handle or anything round to bend the pipe around if you dont want to spring for a pipe bender.

You could also get a brake thread sealant from somewhere like Frost.

Good luck anyway!

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Copper nickel, common patented name type Bundy? Not as malleable as copper, but a worthy option to pure copper if you find you can work and shape it as desired?:):
 
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