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I've been searching for a GTV for a while now. Although it will be a second car in the family, to my wife's car, I want to use it as my daily driver. Meaning also the rear seats will be used sporadically by my small children, who are still way under 10. Most likely one at a time and in the case of both, for a short run. We will continue to use my wife's 4-door family car for family duties, shopping and etc. I just sold my 4-door car because I was bored of it.

Obviously people around me are questioning my sanity for wanting to buy a 20 years old Alfa Romeo as a daily driver. :)

So it would be great to hear from anybody who daily drivers a 916. Still doable at this point? Pitfalls?
 

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Can't see any problem using a GTV as a daily driver. Just keep on top of regular servicing. The TS in particular likes clean oil, the variator lasts a lot longer with frequent oil/filter changes. I change mine every 6 months, using a good synthetic oil (Millers NT). General service items are not a problem, but some parts are getting harder to find. Some parts are being re-manufactured by independents such as TotallyAlfa, which is useful.

The GTV/916 Spider still feels special behind the wheel, I always have people come up to me at the petrol stations saying either it's a 'lovely looking Alfa' or 'it's a lovely car what is it?' You still won't be able to convince anyone though, and you will be classified as mad.
 

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I have a 1998 TS spider. It's a daily drive and doesn't miss a beat. As mentioned, service regularly and you won't be disappointed.

I bought mine with 70,000km on the clock, and we're now up to 310,000. Still runs like a dream.
 

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I daily my GTV TB now when its the right season, even my 3km road to work. Absolutely no problem. I've used it a little in the winter, and it's completely fine really with good tires and reasonable expectations. GTV's are really special cars, but they do show their age. Properly maintained they can go plenty far, mine has done 254k km now and it has likely not been maintained as good as it should have been by previous owners. I knew it was a project when I got it so it's gotten all the suspension, brakes and so on. It really makes a difference to replace the worn out suspension in these (especially rear). Now it's really nice to drive, feels as nice as a low mileage one. If you don't want a project you need to buy a good one. I'd rather buy one with 250k km's thats been serviced than one thats done 100k from a dodgy owner and no service history. GTVs are of course also not immune to rust, but in my experience they're much better than the newer Alfas (156, 147, GT, 159 and so on). Without proper undersealing it will rot away though. It's not the most comfortable car, the newer Alfas are definitely better, but if it's not on 18" wheels and lowered it's okay.

Twin Sparks are pretty hit or miss engines. Moderate to heavy oil consumption is normal, and if it's stable it's nothing to worry about. My GT 1.8 consumed just over 1L every 1000km, which is on the bigger side but it didn't really increase and the engine still worked brilliantly so it's no real reason to worry. There are also Twin Sparks that have done 300k that dont drink a drop of oil, or ones that haven't been taken care of that gets rod knock before 100k. Regular oil changes are key to these. Cam variators tend to go bad, giving a rattling noise on cold starts. After a while it will last longer and longer. Not incredibly expensive to replace if you do it with a cambelt at the same time. The 24v V6's are the best engines (by far I think). They can and most likely will outlive the shell they come in, really brilliant engines. The TB is also a great engine, but it's a bit more expensive to own and parts are a bit hard to find. They can also last very long, but I have the impression that they aren't as long lasting as a 24v. I have a TB and I really like it, but it's a challenge to work on and it requires a bit more frequent services than the others. In my mind it's all worth it, because it's always a joy to drive it anyways. After 250k km it's a bit tired and puffing oil, but I've also seen many examples of these passing 200k and still being in good shape. If you want a good daily driver that you can have some fun with a Twin Spark is a good choice, also the most wallet friendly.
 

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Thanks for all the great and helpful replies.

One of the examples I'm considering has about 210K miles already. It's a late TS. But it seems to have been well maintained as there is a list of things recently done, including new tyres on 17" wheels, new brakes, new rear dumpers and bushings. The belt was done 4 years ago. Full year MOT. I would have preferred a lower mileage one. But it seems it was well maintained and the price is right.
 

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I used to daily my now-190k km GTV 3.0 until last year. I also have 2 kids under 10 but I would only do the school run 2 or 3 times a week without my wife. The boot was big enough for their bags, and we could get away with my 9-year-old daughter in the front passenger seat and my 8-year-old directly behind her sometimes (both tall kids).

The one downside is that the car will show wear if your kids aren't careful. Mine are trained though . Maintenance items are a bit expensive but more annoyingly difficult to find in my country. Not sure about your country but that is something to consider.

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Owned my GTV from new and it’s been my daily ever since… joined a couple of years ago by my Spider which I use mostly at weekends but occasionally for commuting. Now on 145k miles and 140k respectively.
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I would budget getting the belt done within the next few months if you choose that car.
Regardless of the mileage since the belt change? I think the car is a weekend car. So it might not be so many miles since the change.
 

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Regardless of the mileage since the belt change? I think the car is a weekend car. So it might not be so many miles since the change.
The recommended interval is 3 years or 36000 miles whichever comes sooner. The belts degrade with age and can become less pliable if not used. Personally unless you have a recent receipt from a reputable Alfa specialist, I’d get it changed
 

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The recommended interval is 3 years or 36000 miles whichever comes sooner. The belts degrade with age and can become less pliable if not used. Personally unless you have a recent receipt from a reputable Alfa specialist, I’d get it changed
Thanks. Is there a way to tell? How much does it usually cost to have it changed?
 

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No safe way to tell if it is about to go I’m afraid. Cost-wise Alfa Workshop quote about £325 for the belt but I always get the water pump done at the same time for £40. You can add about £100 for new plugs and about £300 for a new variator (recon ones can be bought for £75). I normally get plugs and variator every other belt change.


Autolusso charge very similar prices

 
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My TS Spider is a daily. I bought it with 48k on the clock 18 months ago, it is now at 60k. In that time it has had an oil change every 4000 miles. Sometimes parts are a pain, sometimes the paintwork drives me mad, but I always enjoy it. Get the belt done straight away and change the oil often. Any Alfa loves you back as much as you love it. Too many were abused as pretty image cars and not the drivers’ cars they actually are. Buy one that has been loved, from an enthusiast and join the club of daily drivers keeping these cars alive. I hope to buy a V6 Brera at some point, but I will never, ever sell the Spider for as long as it is viable. I wanted one for 10 years. All cars go wrong now and again, you might as well fix something you like. I spent a decade in boring newish cars and didn’t love any of them. This feels very different. I hope I’m posting in a few years time having hit 100k miles for the first time ever in a car.
 

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I have year 2000 GTV TS as my daily driver and have done for the last 7 years. Bought it with 90K km on the clock and now has 153K km. I have found it to be one of the most reliable cars I have owned which astounds me but which I put down to having bought a low mileage one with a good previous owners. Things to expect:

  • Must get regular oil change and service. Mine is annual.
  • Must get cambelt and water pump changed regularly which is expensive
  • Rear joints will wear. Again can be expensive.
  • Electrics are reliable but door locks may start 'bouncing' (Door card removal and bouncing locks)
  • Looking forward to commuting
One could argue that you should get a sensible car and save money on servicing but I look at it this way, if I had a say Mazda 3 I would still incur costs just probably less but it would be a waste of money as it would not make me happy as I am driving the GTV. Therefore, the GTV is better value.
 

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Yes, the main thing I'm worried is the running costs. Specially cambelt/water pump and joints/bushes. The oil changes don't bother me. I guess cambelts and water pump are not really DIY jobs?

Specially that the one I'm looking at has already 112.000 miles or about 180.000 km, even though it's a 2003. I'm looking at it from the positive side and thinking a GTV with that many miles and still on the road is a good sign and a sign it has been owned by people who care.

Despite the mileage, it is the best option. Everything else fits for me. And the price is actually better than some options with similar mileage and not as nice or less mileage and not as nice. But it has a list of things done recently. Seems to be well cared for.
 

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Yes, the main thing I'm worried is the running costs. Specially cambelt/water pump and joints/bushes. The oil changes don't bother me. I guess cambelts and water pump are not really DIY jobs?

Specially that the one I'm looking at has already 112.000 miles or about 180.000 km, even though it's a 2003. I'm looking at it from the positive side and thinking a GTV with that many miles and still on the road is a good sign and a sign it has been owned by people who care.

Despite the mileage, it is the best option. Everything else fits for me. And the price is actually better than some options with similar mileage and not as nice or less mileage and not as nice. But it has a list of things done recently. Seems to be well cared for.
prices for recent work I’ve had, I don’t have the space to have much of a go myself at the moment:
Full service £230
Cambelt/pump: £360
Brake discs and pads on the rear: £150
Oil change: £55
New badges: £20
Tyres: £300
New expansion cap: £12

so not too bad. More work than a new car but on a 2017 VW Up, a full service was £300, on a 1.0l!
 

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I’ve daily driven Spiders since I bought a V6 new in 2001 I worked all around the UK as an IT Consultant and one year did 27k miles. Not all in one car tho 😉

2001-2008 I did 140k miles in 2001 Lighting Blue V6 Spider, it’s been in my garage with a cracked cylinder head since 2008 (I let it overheat😳). Used as a spares car for the following…

2008-2010 - no Spider!

2010-now I’ve done 130k miles in 2002 Zoe Yellow V6 Spider (bought at 40K miles), it has sat on my drive since Apr last year, nearly sold earlier this year, but alternator now kaput 🙄 needs respray, rear wings have peeling clear coat, but generally up together. Last MOT in Aug 2019 was free of advisories. Will put it up on eBay in next couple of weeks

2011-2012 20k miles 1996 silver 2.0 Spider ( only had 35k miles when bought) Son took it on for a couple of years

2013-2014 15k miles in 2003 red 2.0 Spider. Another Son took it on for a couple of years!

2013-now 16k miles in 2001 Lightning blue V6 spider, my weekend car, but we’ve taken it to Europe 3 times, once to the Classic Le Mans, once to the French Alps in winter and a three week trip around France, Switzerland, Italy. Germany snd Belgium. I’ve had the car resprayed this year and will sell this under 50k miles car when I’ve tidied the engine bay to fund the restoration of the 1st car

and finally 2018-now damaged 2002 Lightning Blue V6 Spider which is the donor car to restore the 1st car! (It’s got a crashed front and front chassis legs are out of line) - I’ve never driven this car

But to answer the question, yes I did over 19 years clocking up total of 321k miles, but I’ve retired now so the answer now is no!

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