Alfa Romeo Forum banner

1 - 11 of 11 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,336 Posts
Discussion Starter #1 (Edited)
OK I have read hundreds of threads on this and think I know all the options from GTV6 brakes to fitting Volvo parts and all the others in between.

The issue I have is that once back on the road my wife and 7st kids will also drive the car and it has always taken a large amount of pedal pressure for decent braking effort.

Now I don't intend to do track days so don't think that I really need to go the whole hog with big brakes and multi piston calipers though the car does have 15" 4 stud 98pcd Campanatura wheels so there is room for later upgrades.

In an attempt to keep it cheap at this stage but make the brakes easier for my wife and kids I am thinking that fresh fluid (already done), full service of the calipers with new seals (already done) a servo from an E30 BMW (don't vomit please) together with EBS Green or Red stuff pads will do the job.

Right now I can't spend hundreds of pounds on this so thoughts please.
 

·
AO Detailing COTY Winner 2018
Joined
·
546 Posts
...together with EBC Green or Red stuff pads will do the job.

Right now I can't spend hundreds of pounds on this so thoughts please.
I have tried lots of pads on these transaxle cars over the last 26 years - see post 14 on this thread....

Our cars have relatively small-area pads, and I don't think there's an EBC pad that is (a) high enough friction from cold AND (b) able to take the temperatures encountered. My EBC Green pads fell to bits because they got too hot, but the red ones needed too much pedal pressure when cold. They would be fine for a track day - which the green ones would not survive on my car.

I now use Tarox Strada 112 pads front and rear with Tarox G88 'Japan' discs. Great cold bite and loads of progression - so don't need as much pedal force as other brake 'upgrades' but are still easy to modulate.

Perhaps (to start) you could get the pads but not the (expensive) G88 discs...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,261 Posts
I refurbed mine last summer, new oem calipers and hoses plus EBC discs and Ferodo DS2500 pads.

The brakes are now really sharp with no problems at all. I'd certainly recommend the DS2500 pads though.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,336 Posts
Discussion Starter #4 (Edited)
On my wife's 159 I have tried DS2500, Performance Friction (recommended by Autolusso) and now EBC Redstuff and the EBC are the best on that (much heavier) car. In my opinion by quite a long way.

The GTV was fitted with EB Spares slotted solid discs and EB Spares recommended pads (Super Alfa?) not long before being taken off the road but I don't recall that I thought much of those pads.

Right now I am inclined to try RobM's suggestions unless there is more input. I'll still keep the idea of that German servo in my mind though. My wife and kids have to be able to drive this car and bring it to a stop..... safely.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,336 Posts
Discussion Starter #5
Now the odd thing is that Tarox list 3 different pads for the GTV (split by year of car) yet show the same disc dimensions for each one. I thought the front brakes on all 2.0 Alfetta GTVs were the same.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
870 Posts
From my experience, I have found as long as the rear brake calipers are in good order and correctly adjusted, the standard brakes are actually not too bad. Most of the pedal travel is in those rear brakes. If your not sure, clamp of the rear flexi hose and try the pedal again.. improvement in feel = need for adjustment at rear.

If it takes a lot of pedal pressure, but you have a firm pedal with normal travel, then something is seized somewhere? the pistons could be rusted and seizing up ?

My 116 2.0 GTV has standard brakes all round, and when a van pulled out on me last year i managed to lock all 4 wheels up, on my sticky toyo tyres.. that tells me i can out brake my tyres anyway, the standard set up cant be that bad!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,266 Posts
I refurbed mine last summer, new oem calipers and hoses plus EBC discs and Ferodo DS2500 pads.

The brakes are now really sharp with no problems at all. I'd certainly recommend the DS2500 pads though.
+1 I have fitted DS2500 pads all round on my 1300 Gt Junior with small front discs and the stopping is pretty good. I have done track days and whilst a more sophisticated system would be better I did not suffer any brake fade.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,336 Posts
Discussion Starter #8
Thanks all for the input. Still thinking Tarox 112 pads and bigger servo kept in reserve. The key is that my wife and kids can drive this car and my kids in particular are not able to apply the pedal pressure for emergency stops. Yes I know the wheels can be locked, I have done it, but at much higher pedal pressure than today's modern cars need and higher than my kids can apply.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
870 Posts
Just a thought.... is your current brake servo working hard enough? that would mean you would need to push harder?

you mention a bigger servo in reserve, which one are you thinking about ?

thanks :O)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,336 Posts
Discussion Starter #10 (Edited)
Lots of threads suggest a BMW E30 servo is bolt on replacement for RH drive cars. (As stated in my first post.)

I have tested the servo by pressing the brake and then starting the engine and the pedal moves toward the floor once the engine is running. So vacuum is being produced and servo is assisting. To my knowledge that is the only test that can be done without specialist equipment.

I can lock the brakes but my wife and kids find it really hard and even medium braking is quite an effort.

NOTE: my wife and kids all drive modern cars with quite heavily servo assisted brakes.
 
1 - 11 of 11 Posts
Top