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Quick introduction. My names John and I recently bought an 08 Alfa GT 1.9 JTDm Cloverleaf. In general I'm very happy with it, great looks, nice interior, strong engine and I'm getting 44mpg.

However, the ride quality is shocking. I'm used to sports cars, in fact the GT is the least sporty car I've owned in a long time but it just seams to stiff/ crashy.

It's currently running on 18s, are there 17s that I can run it on? Are there any suspension mods (not £1000s please) I could look into?
 

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The Cloverleaf has the GTA suspension Iirc, just like our 3.2. Yes it's shocking but the improvement options are expensive.

Show it a smooth road though and the standard suspension is great!
 

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Agree with Simon, on certain (read: most) road conditions, the "uprated" suspension and 18" wheel set up is rather crashy and harsh.
However, on the right road, with the right tyre pressures, the car and suspension is fantastic.

I did play around with the pressure settings and found the best for me and local roads is 35psi up front and 34pis on the rear, but this will be different for others.
 

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I'd agree. Make sure your tyre pressures are dead accurate and make sure that you choose a soft tyre. Apparently the ride deteriorates over time and new components, namely shock absorbers will make it smoother - I know your GT sounds pretty new but it may have done a few miles. Alfa's are generally known to have springs that are too soft and dampers that are too stiff. Apparently stiffer anti-roll bars help and try adding the 3 psi to the tyres - 2.6 (38psi) all round if you're driving it!!
 

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Thanks for all the advice guys.
It's done 60k so yes it's done afew miles. The front tyres need replacing soon so I'm on the lookout for some comfort tyres. Not too bothered about performance, if that was important I wouldn't of sold my M3. It has Pirelli P Zero Rossos on at the moment, is there a better tyre for comfort?
 

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I don't know of any softer, but new tyres will soften the ride.
 

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LOL>>>> tell me about it. Ive started threads about this subject.

Only fix is koni fsd's with eibach springs and GTA antiroll bars. Then its welcome to GT heaven. The anti roll bars are a must if you go this way.

I do think that eibach springs with the standard cloverleaf suspension would be an improvement to standard.

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I'm tempted to try a set of 16s on it. Can anyone see any problem with that appart from it looking like a roller skate?
 

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Thanks for all the advice guys.
It has Pirelli P Zero Rossos on at the moment, is there a better tyre for comfort?
The crashy ride was bothering me (1.9 JTD Lusso GT), so was considering changing the shocks. However, I recently put a pair of Eagle F1 Assymetric 2 on the front and it does seem to have noticeably improved the ride quality (previously I have had Potenza RE050 and Eagle Assymetric 1). Mine are 17" wheels but if you are going to replace the tyres might be worth a shot ... certainly cheaper than a pair of FSDs.
My car has done 55K miles and now rides better than has ever done before.
 

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I'm tempted to try a set of 16s on it. Can anyone see any problem with that appart from it looking like a roller skate?
I would go for 17's! still look good and more tyre between road and rim than the 18's! 16's look lost in a GT's arches!! Or change the springs!:thumbs:

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OK, my plan is to get a new set of boots fitted to the front on the weekend, balanced etc. and then get the sespension checked out. If I'm still not happy I'll be looking for a set of 17s.

I've read alot on this site saying "if BMW can run on 19s/18s why can't Alfa?". My previous car was an M3 cab which came on 19s. The ride was so bad that you couldn't listen to the CD player at all without it jumping, even on what looked like smooth roads. I ended up sticking a set of 18s on it. Much better but still firm.

I'm now doing 400 miles per week communting so a firm sporty ride is just unnecessary. The M4 feels as rough as a dirt track to me in the GT. Slight but constant vibration through the steering wheel, pedals and gear stick. I'm wondering if I have warped wheels.
 

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OK, my plan is to get a new set of boots fitted to the front on the weekend, balanced etc. and then get the sespension checked out. If I'm still not happy I'll be looking for a set of 17s.

I've read alot on this site saying "if BMW can run on 19s/18s why can't Alfa?". My previous car was an M3 cab which came on 19s. The ride was so bad that you couldn't listen to the CD player at all without it jumping, even on what looked like smooth roads. I ended up sticking a set of 18s on it. Much better but still firm.

I'm now doing 400 miles per week communting so a firm sporty ride is just unnecessary. The M4 feels as rough as a dirt track to me in the GT. Slight but constant vibration through the steering wheel, pedals and gear stick. I'm wondering if I have warped wheels.
Could be the wheels! Any signs of kerbing?:(
 

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I'd get a full 4-wheel laser aligmnent by a specialist. And ask them to check tyre balance while they're at at. Should cost less than a 100 notes all in and then at least you know the basic set-up is correct.
 

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I'm tempted to try a set of 16s on it. Can anyone see any problem with that appart from it looking like a roller skate?
I have a GT 1.9 JTDM, not a Cloverleaf but I don't think the Cloverleaf suspension makes a big difference because all GTs ride the way you describe as standard. Like you I found the ride shocking and I didn't want to spend £000s on it. I also came to the GT from a 3-series (not an M3 though!).

Mine was on 17s, it's still a bad ride on 17s, so first I tried 16s. This did make a big difference. The car doesn't look as good if you were to compare the two alongside but it doesn't look bad either - the 16s are multispoke and an attractive wheel in themselves. Remember too that Alfa sold some GTs with 15s! The ride is worse in winter (colder rubber, plus more potholes) so for one year I used 17s in summer, 16s in winter. Not a bad compromise, and cheap.

When I got a bit of money available I decided to upgrade to Koni FSDs. Unlike others on this forum I kept standard springs to save money. I was convinced the problem was weak damping rather than soft springs. This proved to be right IMHO and the car is much better. Only problem (apart from £900 cost) is it took the car a while to settle on the new dampers and the front especially looked a bit high after the switch. However I have met this problem with new dampers on other cars previously, I knew it would settle. The ride now is supple and the handling just as good as before, probably better because less likely to be thrown off course by bumps on bends.

The ride is so much better with FSDs even on 17s that I have decided to keep with 17s all year round and sell the 16s. They are still the best cheap fix (so PM me if you're interested, approx £200 the lot inc. 4 decent tyres, one new, all MOT-capable!).
 

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Mine rides very well on 16" wheels*. After 2.5 years of ownership, that extra inch or two isn't worth it.

*When the suspension is in good nick, that is. Something else every couple of months -wishbones, ARB, drop links, control arms. Usually accompanied by knocks over bumps.
 

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In have a JTD GT which I bought wearing 18" alloys - I've been concerned about the crashy ride and tramlining, so following some advice from various people I'm looking to swap to 17s. The cars done 100K but has had the upper arms replaced, tho it sounds from this thread that many of you also recommend changing springs and shocks.

The antiroll bar need replacing soon - do the GTA bars differ a lot from the standard GT ones?
 

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I've got 18's on mine and I barely never find the ride crashy unless I'm on really uneven country lanes or concrete sections of motorway like where the M42 meets the M40.
 

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I test drove a GT 3.2 on 17's and thought the ride was pretty good. The garage didn't mention any uprated suspension so I can only assume it was standard.
 
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