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Been having a few creak/squeak problems with my ARB (Replaced top arms, droplinks not the issue and greasing the ARB bushes showed they were at fault)

I went to my local Alfa specialist to get a price on getting some Powerflex bushes fitted, however he said not to get the Powerflex bushes, just buy a brand new ARB as they've been revised/changed to stop the premature wear of the bushes (Or similar). Been trying to see if this is accurate before I drop £140+ on a rollbar and can't seem to find anything about the rollbars being updated/changed.

Just wondering if anyone can confirm if the new rollbars have been updated since the ones fitted to my car? Or should I just go with new bushes?

My GT's the 1.9 JTDm, 2006 model (55,000miles)
 

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Been having a few creak/squeak problems with my ARB (Replaced top arms, droplinks not the issue and greasing the ARB bushes showed they were at fault)

I went to my local Alfa specialist to get a price on getting some Powerflex bushes fitted, however he said not to get the Powerflex bushes, just buy a brand new ARB as they've been revised/changed to stop the premature wear of the bushes (Or similar). Been trying to see if this is accurate before I drop £140+ on a rollbar and can't seem to find anything about the rollbars being updated/changed.

Just wondering if anyone can confirm if the new rollbars have been updated since the ones fitted to my car? Or should I just go with new bushes?

My GT's the 1.9 JTDm, 2006 model (55,000miles)
If you think your local is LYING to you, check out some other AR dealers/specialists and listen to their comments and compare. Why do you think the specialist is lying through his back teeth (Just making it sound gritty).
 

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Rubbish. Get the powerflex bushes. I've fitted them to my GT.
 

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I don't think he's lying (He's the only person I trust to fix my Alfa after all...) but would like to confirm, I'd rather pay £30 for bushes than £140+VAT for a new ARB. I'll phone my local dealer later to see if they know anything... Probably not but hey!

RE Powerflex, with the 18s the rides crashy enough as it is. So would rather stick to standard for bushes (Going for Eibach Pro Kit springs in summer anyway)
 

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The dealer won't know anything about it.

It won't make a difference to the ride. It's the springs and shocks that do that.

Just by fitting the lowering springs it will lose the crashiness you will be pleased to know.

There is/was no revision to the ARB and bushes just so you know.

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Allrighty, you have just saved me a lot of money!

Yeah saw a post on here saying that the Eibachs made the ride a bit smoother. I was just going for aesthetics, but if they make the ride a bit smoother. Necessary purchase IMO

Thanks!
 

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Yes definitely. I've fitted coilovers to mine but my friend has a GT JTD and after fitting the lowering springs it was like a different car.

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The dealer won't know anything about it.

It won't make a difference to the ride. It's the springs and shocks that do that.

Just by fitting the lowering springs it will lose the crashiness you will be pleased to know.

There is/was no revision to the ARB and bushes just so you know.

J
So would a 30mm drop actually improve the ride?
 

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No of course not. But but the point is they are new. People tend to forget that when they replace the suspension.
They think its actually improved the ride. Really it hasn't its just the fact its new.

Lowering on springs can not make the ride smoother.
The spring rating must be higher to cope with the lesser amount of travel.

The issue with Alfa is they tend to use hard springs. Pants dampers. So you get that crashing feeling. More so as they get old. Coupled with the fact the bushes wear at an alarming rate means the ride is not as smooth or supple as it could be. A friends 206 rides better than my car. But it won't handles anywhere near as well.



You can change the bushes. So long as the ARB bush where it fits on the ARB isn't rusted. The rusting will wear the bush prematurely.

Hence why the garage is probably airing on the side of caution and saying replace the whole thing.
If you do swap out the ARB go for the GTA.
 

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No of course not. But but the point is they are new. People tend to forget that when they replace the suspension.
They think its actually improved the ride. Really it hasn't its just the fact its new.

Lowering on springs can not make the ride smoother.
The spring rating must be higher to cope with the lesser amount of travel.

The issue with Alfa is they tend to use hard springs. Pants dampers. So you get that crashing feeling. More so as they get old. Coupled with the fact the bushes wear at an alarming rate means the ride is not as smooth or supple as it could be. A friends 206 rides better than my car. But it won't handles anywhere near as well.



You can change the bushes. So long as the ARB bush where it fits on the ARB isn't rusted. The rusting will wear the bush prematurely.

Hence why the garage is probably airing on the side of caution and saying replace the whole thing.
If you do swap out the ARB go for the GTA.
You should try a GT with lowering springs only.
 

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Although the GT is a nice car. I can't get over it being a 156 with a frock on...

Why exactly is it any different?
Is it due to it using the same wings and ET as the GTA?
 

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It's the nicer cockpit of the 147 with the longer wheelbase of the 156. So it handles better than the 147 and as a result its a lovely car to drive.

Seats are lovely too. Sure just like any other alfa it has it's flaws, but I love it. And that's coming from a 156 and 2 x 147 GTA's.
 

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I have the 156 V6 and to be honest I prefer the handling of the 147 over the 156.
This might be because I prefer something a little more nimble (or the fact the V6 has too heavy an engine in the front makes it handle like a boat. Even on veloce suspension).

drag racing go with the longer wheel base. longer wb will also make it more composed in the fast bends whereas the short wb car will change direction quicker.
 

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Completely agree. But as the rear of the 147 is so light I found it very twitchy with heavy braking on track. Having said that, on the road there is not a lot in it. :)
 

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Spot the GT owner... :lol::p

Re the roll bar, it should show up in eper as a revised part if it's been upgraded / changed, should it not?
 

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I have the 156 V6 and to be honest I prefer the handling of the 147 over the 156.
This might be because I prefer something a little more nimble (or the fact the V6 has too heavy an engine in the front makes it handle like a boat. Even on veloce suspension).

drag racing go with the longer wheel base. longer wb will also make it more composed in the fast bends whereas the short wb car will change direction quicker.
I'd go for a 156 if only because it doesn't have nanny state stability control. It's a right PITA on track.:rant::rant::rant:
 

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Oh yes the 156 feels more Raw x10. It actually feels like it wants to kill you and you have to be careful with that right foot. Definitely more of a drivers car. But the lift off over steer on it with a longer wheel base can catch you off guard.

I think track the 156 rules. Driving round narrow streets and city the 147 has it.
 

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Generally a longer wheel base means its more predictable Scotty, which is why the Stratos has such a fearsome reputation. It's wheelbase is as long as it's track is wide.

TBH, there's nothing in it. They're all very easy to catch when they do oversteer. Lift, drift, modulate the angle of dangle using the throttle...
 

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Spot the GT owner... :lol::p

Re the roll bar, it should show up in eper as a revised part if it's been upgraded / changed, should it not?
60680150 TORSION BAR - Replacement date:05/2004

Got an 06, no good to me :(
 
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