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Does anyone have any idea how many 164 models are left on the roads in the UK? as I do not see that many these days.

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You are so right .. I think that the every day twinks and later supers are now being parted out... the last run on scrap value to China saw quite a few go because of the weight of a 164!
The Cloverleafs where possible I think are trying to be kept?
There is nothing like the number that we had .. for instance at a meet at (International Cloverleaf Register) in Birdlip Gloucestershire in 2004/05.(pic)
I personally only know nine or ten 164 cloverleafs, .. currently on the road,.. perhaps we should have a show of hands on here to find out!??
I have a 164 24v black Cloverleaf 1995 .. now at its crossroads.. a very good project for somebody.. with all the parts to complete.. if you look at my post GOOD NEWS & BAD NEWS.. you will see.
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perhaps we should have a show of hands on here to find out!??
I have a 164 24v black Cloverleaf 1995
Black '95M 24v QV here. Bit of an oil leak after a botched cambelt change and been off the road for a few months. Should be back on the road within the next couple of months, and we'll probably sell it then.
 

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Does anyone have any idea how many 164 models are left on the roads in the UK? as I do not see that many these days.

Mick

..anyhow, as far as i can tell there're about 20 164s left on the road here in ireland give or take, and about 40 166s.
 

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Im still runnung my 24 valve super with 45mm intakes (does that count as a cloverleaf):rolleyes:
 

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Im still runnung my 24 valve super with 45mm intakes (does that count as a cloverleaf):rolleyes:
Snap! I'm running my silver 93 24v super with 45mm intakes too!

Hopefully she'll go through her next mot but the rear trailing arm mounts had to be welded last time and the front subframe is getting 'thin'.
 

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..anyhow, as far as i can tell there're about 20 164s left on the road here in ireland give or take, and about 40 166s.
Mick

That is quite a few 164 cars left running considering the size of Ireland and how long the car has been out of production.
I notice reading through some of the threads the back sub frame unit is now getting very hard to find from the main dealers. I had mine changed about 4 years ago on a 94 3.0 super. If this part is not available this will stop the other cars left, to be on the road as it will be an MOT failure through corrosion which will be a shame, unless some one can make a copy of the sub frame unit.

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My 1990 12v is still on the road - I realise it isn't a QV! Why don't you ask Dave Saunders at the AROC 164 register - I bet he knows!
 

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Not very many I'd say. Was gutted when my mint 164 QV went up in smoke a couple of years ago. Trouble is, when they go wrong, many just get scrapped. There are very few minters out there, especially Cloverleafs. A definite future classic. Wish I still had mine....
 

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If this part is not available this will stop the other cars left, to be on the road as it will be an MOT failure through corrosion which will be a shame, unless some one can make a copy of the sub frame unit.
Mine's on the way out and I'm not sure what I'm going to do about it when it does. It went through the last MOT, which I didn't think it was going to. My mechanic said let's worry about it if it does fail. I can't imagine it's that hard to get someone to make one, it looks pretty simple to me, but then I'm no engineer.
 

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..in ireland grit was used on the roads until recently rather than salt, so the sub frame wasn't as much of an issue.

20 164s still on the road is a lot i suppose.. i think about 400 were sold in total.

with the road tax system here i'd imagine the bulk of them were twinnies as well. that old nord twin cam just goes on and on, so it's usually suspension or steering racks that catch up on them in the end and get too expensive to sort out..
 

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Though I cant answer your question,here's my 164 newsletter.
I have just put a boot spoiler on my red 55k super 3 litre auto and although the coachworks could not get an exact 130 red match ,it looks terrific.
I lost one 164 through theft and two to the breakers last year ,but I still have a twin spark that is on Sorn till October when I shall store the Auto for the winter months.So I have two 164.s on the road during the year.
I wish I had space for a manual Cloverleaf,
Although there is a 164 register .and a separate Cloverleaf one ,sadly there are no news reports in the AROC magazine.from either.
The lack of expert knowledge and proper diagnostic equipment of main dealers and some alfa specialists does not help keeping older models on the road.
A certain specialist in Northamptonshire who owed me for a service renderered ,could not sort an air bag warning light through lack of equipment.and made no effort to refer me elswhere.
I ought to name and shame the uncaring individual.
With main dealers charging £100 per hour.and some going bust,the independents have loads of work for newer models out of warranty ,so its understandable that older cars are not considered as being their bread and butter.
I reckon the 164 played an important role in reviving the fortunes of the Alfa marque so I hope you will keep yours.so that we can keep each other company on Alfa days for years to come,

There is a 3 litre 164 at the heart of a very special project on the Forum under the Sud /Sprint Section entiltled 6C Build Up.
This is a super story of a broken 164 that has been given a second life.by a real expert, Alfa Six Nut,
Have a read ,it will do you good.
See you at East Anglia Day.
Cheers
Young Alf.
 

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I love the 164 and i'm desparate to get hold of another Cloverleaf, that instant throttle response was fantastic. I like the 166, it's a nice car, but i dunno, maybe its just because its only a TS but the 164 (owned a leaf and a TS) had that special something that the newer model can't quite match IMO.
 

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Does anyone have any idea how many 164 models are left on the roads in the UK? as I do not see that many these days.

Mick
I own and drive daily a 1995 164 24V Super. 80K miles and one of the best 164s I have ever owned. Also my 1996 164 24V Cloverleaf with about 130K miles which is currently being MOTd and then will be repainted. I'll never tire of that V6 howl from the Cloverleaf at 4000 revs.

I have another 1994 164 24V Super which is my project car for Knockhill. Currently this is almost a bare shell and a LONG way off completion. It'll be road legal when finished though.

I've also just bought a 1997 TwinSpark with no MOT which I'm afraid will be cannibalised for trim and panels and stuff, then the remains parted out before, sorry, scrapping. :cry: I don't have the room to keep the remains long term.
 

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While my head's on right... and on the subject originally posted...

Does anyone know the whereabouts of J219TRX? A 1991 64 12V Lusso Auto in Red that originally came from Thorobred Cars in Middlesex?

That car and I have a lot of history and I'd probably buy her back in a heartbeat... I still have all the sales and service records for her.... Was taken from me by a rubbish Insurance Company ("dogs" that they are, literally) after a rock cracked the sump and they refused to have it repaired :cry:

I do remember quite some time ago being told she was spotted in Essex.
 

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mine'b been off the road since it started blowing the ecu/injection fuse a couple of months back (exhaust backbox mount went at the saem time, so wondering if something to do with lambda?). going to sort soon, been rather busy so ended up getting a new car to do my 600 weekly work miles. fully intend to have back in the road in the next month or so...
 

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Currently rebuilding my 95 24v Super it had numerous problems with ecu and ignition related problems and finally oil consumption was so bad that I could not keep it topped up, this was a fault developed because the ign trouble could not be sourced and it washed the bores too much.
 
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