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So I recently turned 17, and being the massive petrol head iam, I love Jaguars and Alfa Romeos. Since there aren't any Jaguars with engines less than 2.0L I want to go with my next favourite brand, Alfa Romeo! (Yes im aware I just said that on the Alfa forums so iam very sorry!)

So after browsing eBay for about 20 minutes I kind of have my heart set on a 147 1.6 TS hatch, and I was wondering roughly how much the insurance would be for a 1.6 TS I have already done a quote and I was quoted £1700 (Im not sure how accurate it is) and if you recommend the 1.9 JTD over the 1.6? (I have looked more at the 1.6 since its a little quicker on paper, but am totally fine with owning a 1.9 Diesel instead) and any advice from anyone who has first hand experience with a 147.

But my main concern is reliability. I feel people exaggerate the 'poor' reliability of Alfas, but since I have some important exams coming up, I need a fairly reliable motor to get me from home to school and soon, Uni


Thanks a lot!


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Hello iam new to the forums.


So I recently turned 17, and being the massive petrol head iam, I love Jaguars and Alfa Romeos. Since there aren't any Jaguars with engines less than 2.0L I want to go with my next favourite brand, Alfa Romeo! (Yes im aware I just said that on the Alfa forums so iam very sorry!)

So after browsing eBay for about 20 minutes I kind of have my heart set on a 147 1.6 TS hatch, and I was wondering roughly how much the insurance would be for a 1.6 TS I have already done a quote and I was quoted £1700 (Im not sure how accurate it is) and if you recommend the 1.9 JTD over the 1.6? (I have looked more at the 1.6 since its a little quicker on paper, but am totally fine with owning a 1.9 Diesel instead) and any advice from anyone who has first hand experience with a 147.

But my main concern is reliability. I feel people exaggerate the 'poor' reliability of Alfas, but since I have some important exams coming up, I need a fairly reliable motor to get me from home to school and soon, Uni


Thanks a lot!



Will
I bought my 147 1.9JTD M-Jet around the time I was 18-19 years old. It's definitely a good car for a teenager. I can't comment on insurance as I'm from another country.

My bet would be a diesel if you want a work horse which down the line you can easily remap. Furthermore, the 16-valve 1.9 packs a serious punch even standard, especially for a first car. If you do shorter trips, a petrol is more favourable. I do a lot of short trips and economy on my diesel isn't ideal as it's mostly out of operating temperature.

Reliability-wise, *knock on wood* It's never left me stranded and I hope it won't. It's had a lot of niggles and therefore quite a few trips to the mechanic. For 3 years I've changed stuff such as suspension, bushes, some hoses going bad, inner cv joint (but that was my bad), I had numerous problems with binding brakes too, standard services aside. All in all, small and inexpensive repairs for the most cases, but their frequency is what annoyed me a lot.

I do believe some other brands have models of similar class which are more reliable simply because they're simpler. But her, I'm going strong with my Bella and I don't plan a break up soon :yum:

Women find it interesting, but in reality, they'd prefer a newer BMW or Merc. :rofl:
 

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I bought my 147 1.9JTD M-Jet around the time I was 18-19 years old. It's definitely a good car for a teenager. I can't comment on insurance as I'm from another country.

My bet would be a diesel if you want a work horse which down the line you can easily remap. Furthermore, the 16-valve 1.9 packs a serious punch even standard, especially for a first car. If you do shorter trips, a petrol is more favourable. I do a lot of short trips and economy on my diesel isn't ideal as it's mostly out of operating temperature.

Reliability-wise, *knock on wood* It's never left me stranded and I hope it won't. It's had a lot of niggles and therefore quite a few trips to the mechanic. For 3 years I've changed stuff such as suspension, bushes, some hoses going bad, inner cv joint (but that was my bad), I had numerous problems with binding brakes too, standard services aside. All in all, small and inexpensive repairs for the most cases, but their frequency is what annoyed me a lot.

I do believe some other brands have models of similar class which are more reliable simply because they're simpler. But her, I'm going strong with my Bella and I don't plan a break up soon :yum:

Women find it interesting, but in reality, they'd prefer a newer BMW or Merc. :rofl:
Thanks for the reply. My school is 30 miles away and the Uni iam looking at is over 70 miles from home, so I will be doing longer trips, and I forgot to mention in my first post is that fuel economy is another big factor, so maybe I should look at a 1.9 JTD instead :rotate:
 

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Thanks for the reply. My school is 30 miles away and the Uni iam looking at is over 70 miles from home, so I will be doing longer trips, and I forgot to mention in my first post is that fuel economy is another big factor, so maybe I should look at a 1.9 JTD instead :rotate:
Given the miles, look at a diesel for sure.

Make sure it's a well taken care of one. Look for recent cambelt, clutch and dmf, turbocharger. They are all expensive repairs.
 

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I would find a car for sale that you can get the reg number and stick it in to an insurance comparison website

Im going to bet the insurance will be steep
 

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if it's a factor in your calculations - an 8 valve diesel is cheaper on road tax than a 16 valve diesel and based on the the power values, might well be cheaper on insurance too.

See the following link for comments on comparisons on the two diesel engines.

Personally I chose an 8 valve specifically for a 156 and I'm not disappointed....
 

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A work colleague of mine is 19, and has been getting a few insurance quotes on various cars and Diesels seem to be a fair bit more to insure than petrols for some reason.

Both the 1.6 petrol and the 1.9 diesels are good engines, and providing the car has been looked after should be reliable.

The main things to watch out for on the 147 are suspension issues like worn buses, and rust. They rust in the floorpan, inner front wings mainly on the bits that are not easy to see. But they shouldn't be any worse than a jaguar in that respect.

They both need regular cambelt changes, every 3 years or 36000 miles is recommended and on the diesel the waterpump needs to be done at the same time.
 

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Hello iam new to the forums.


So I recently turned 17, and being the massive petrol head iam, I love Jaguars and Alfa Romeos. Since there aren't any Jaguars with engines less than 2.0L I want to go with my next favourite brand, Alfa Romeo! (Yes im aware I just said that on the Alfa forums so iam very sorry!)

So after browsing eBay for about 20 minutes I kind of have my heart set on a 147 1.6 TS hatch, and I was wondering roughly how much the insurance would be for a 1.6 TS I have already done a quote and I was quoted £1700 (Im not sure how accurate it is) and if you recommend the 1.9 JTD over the 1.6? (I have looked more at the 1.6 since its a little quicker on paper, but am totally fine with owning a 1.9 Diesel instead) and any advice from anyone who has first hand experience with a 147.

But my main concern is reliability. I feel people exaggerate the 'poor' reliability of Alfas, but since I have some important exams coming up, I need a fairly reliable motor to get me from home to school and soon, Uni


Thanks a lot!


Will
The 147 was my first car and I loved it, a Sport Q2 with the 1.9 JTD diesel engine. In terms of what to look for, this might help: https://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-147-156-andamp-gt/1174099-147-156-gt-buyers-guide.html - using the 147 references of course. £1700 by the way is pretty good, I paid £1800 for the first years insurance and I was 23 at the time.

Lastly, just be aware that these cars are now a minimum of 10 years old and some are looked after and some not so much. So when you do go to see one remember you can always walk away, there are still lots of 147s around so you can afford to be choosy. Also, get friendly with your local Alfa specialist, they tend to know the cars really well and will be able to get that obscure part and provide quality servicing. You'll see lots of specialists mentioned on the site so have a look around.

Best of luck with the search :thumbs:
 

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Reliability is a mixed bag.

I tend to think, that once cars get to an age all the 'bad' cars have now bitten the dust, and only the 'good' cars remain.

Not knowing your budget, money earning abilities and mechanical abilities I would say tread carefully. It is easy for bills to mount up. The parts are typically more expensive than more standard models. They typically have more features than more standard models, so there are more things to go wrong. Slightly more of a form over function sort of car, which is why there can be issues with the door handles, boot release and many other small 'niggles'.

I'm would think that the 1.6 TS would be fairly economical in fuel consumption, so that or a diesel probably won't make too much difference. Personally I do not see the point in small diesel cars, but for your circumstances it may be better. Twin Spark motors do have their issues, not particularly bad but just things you need to keep on top of being cambelt replacements (3 years) and also oil consumption. I'm not sure about the diesel motors.

Personally I have had a good run from my Alfa over the last year and a half. But the cost of the cambelt service alone was about the same as I spent on repairs of my previous car (run of the mill Japanese hatch) over 3 whole years and that included a cam belt service too. Both cars were both the same age and kms (miles).

Why does car insurance in the UK appear so expensive to me?
 

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Just be aware its frontal offset impact results were poor, even at the time of release. In Australia it only earned a 3-star safety rating and that was only due to a good side impact protection result. That said, I’ll be having my son learn in mine.
 

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I bought my 1st alfa, a 51plate 1.8ts in 2007. I'll freely admit i knew nothing about alfas and the care that is required. I ran it for 18months. It got an oil service. I did not know to look at cam belt history or any of the other details until about 10months into it. I then realised there was a forum and when i joined it became clear to me the cam belt schedule was reduced from 72k to 36k by Alfa. My car had done 52k by this time!! I guess i was lucky.
Despite my student nurse status at the time, i got it done. I started checking the oil once a week(it was lowish the 1st check!) and topping up as required.

My point is I did it back to front and lucked out. You are asking first and thats a sign of maturity i did not have at 35, never mind 18.

They are great cars to own and drive. They just need a touch more tlc. Ive learned alot over the last 15yrs and im on my 4th Alfa now. Nothing major went wrong with the 1st 3. It was just circumstances at the time when they had to go.

Yes, a bit of mechanical know how and a willingness to get oily is required but imo, things like brakes and suspension are very much DIY.

What you need though is a place to work and the right tools. Yes, theres seized bolts etc to overcome but you'll find the actual work is a pain in the ass rather than mechanically involved and, once you've done it once and appropriately greased the parts in question, the 2nd time will be relatively easy to overcome.

My friends and colleagues look at me as if im stupid when i dont buy a new car every three years. I love that look! Lololol

Not all of them though! One has an old SAAB 93 he wont let die! Me and him can have a decent conversation ?
 

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Mito is lower insurance, getting cheap to buy and less rusty. XJ300s are plentiful and dirt cheap. You might be able to insure on classic policy but I'm not sure if that would be an option at your age. But fuel consumption makes them a disaster for anyone intent on using a a daily driver. Personally I'd be getting a panda 100 if I was a 17 year old yob or a saxo vtr. Best bang for buck is panda diesel. These have fixed geometri turbo and chip to 90bhp. They have little biscuit wheels and bouncy suspension which makes them exciting.
 

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OP, Assuming you're in the UK, a 147 might not be the best idea as a first car, based purely on insurance costs, I seem to remember the 1.6 I had was a group 13 under the old insurance grouping standard.

As others have said, reliability is not generally a concern, as long as the car is looked after, I had numerous problems with mine, (mainly clutch related) and they do need constant attention.

In the 6 years I had mine it went through a complete clutch kit, all front arms, 2 exhaust boxes, 2 front wheel bearings, as well as all associated services, 2 minor, 1 major 2 cambelt/waterpumps, camshaft sensor, aux belt, tensioner and idler - and that's just off the top of my head - that was a 7 year old 51k mile 1.6 car, when I bought it.

That said, if you're handy with tools, are prepared to be religious about checking oil and adhering to strict schedules for cambelt, and have money to spare on insurance - or parents who are willing to help you out with that sort of thing, go for it... they're great cars!
 

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I bought my 1st alfa, a 51plate 1.8ts in 2007. I'll freely admit i knew nothing about alfas and the care that is required. I ran it for 18months. It got an oil service. I did not know to look at cam belt history or any of the other details until about 10months into it. I then realised there was a forum and when i joined it became clear to me the cam belt schedule was reduced from 72k to 36k by Alfa. My car had done 52k by this time!! I guess i was lucky.
Despite my student nurse status at the time, i got it done. I started checking the oil once a week(it was lowish the 1st check!) and topping up as required.

My point is I did it back to front and lucked out. You are asking first and thats a sign of maturity i did not have at 35, never mind 18.

They are great cars to own and drive. They just need a touch more tlc. Ive learned alot over the last 15yrs and im on my 4th Alfa now. Nothing major went wrong with the 1st 3. It was just circumstances at the time when they had to go.

Yes, a bit of mechanical know how and a willingness to get oily is required but imo, things like brakes and suspension are very much DIY.

What you need though is a place to work and the right tools. Yes, theres seized bolts etc to overcome but you'll find the actual work is a pain in the ass rather than mechanically involved and, once you've done it once and appropriately greased the parts in question, the 2nd time will be relatively easy to overcome.

My friends and colleagues look at me as if im stupid when i dont buy a new car every three years. I love that look! Lololol

Not all of them though! One has an old SAAB 93 he wont let die! Me and him can have a decent conversation ?
Thanks for the reply. Iam not afraid to get my hands dirty and fix any small issues myself on the car, but all the mechanical experience I have is servicing the lawn mower every couple of years, so I would prefer the car to spend more time running well than being on a car jack! My dad keeps telling me that I should buy a Citroen C1, but I really hate the way the C1 looks, and a 1.0l engine really isn't appealing. After all it is my money iam spending. Although, you did mention that you topped up the oil every week, and I was wondering if this was something you had to do, so maybe having such a high maintainance car isn't such a good idea as a 17 year old?
I still have my heart set on an alfa 147 and since you can buy them for peanuts, the money I can save buying the alfa over something like a c1 I could spend on maintaining the car.
At the end of the day I kind of want an engaging car to drive, looks to die for and be different from my friends at school (All my friends are buying Corsas and Fiestas).
 

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OP, Assuming you're in the UK, a 147 might not be the best idea as a first car, based purely on insurance costs, I seem to remember the 1.6 I had was a group 13 under the old insurance grouping standard.

As others have said, reliability is not generally a concern, as long as the car is looked after, I had numerous problems with mine, (mainly clutch related) and they do need constant attention.

In the 6 years I had mine it went through a complete clutch kit, all front arms, 2 exhaust boxes, 2 front wheel bearings, as well as all associated services, 2 minor, 1 major 2 cambelt/waterpumps, camshaft sensor, aux belt, tensioner and idler - and that's just off the top of my head - that was a 7 year old 51k mile 1.6 car, when I bought it.

That said, if you're handy with tools, are prepared to be religious about checking oil and adhering to strict schedules for cambelt, and have money to spare on insurance - or parents who are willing to help you out with that sort of thing, go for it... they're great cars!
Insurance for me, isn't that expensive (Based on the quote it was £1700 and cheaper to insure than a base model Citroen Saxo) but I guess that might be down to requiring a black box, where I live and a 147 being a fairly unusual first car. Iam not afraid to get my hands dirty, so as long as the parts are fairly cheap and the labour is free (I will try to do most of the work myself with my dad to guide me) and, unlike my friends I wont be ragging my car round every street corner at 6k rpm! Although I will be planning to have this car for the next 2 years and right the way through uni and possibly for another year or two after that, and after you listed all the new parts you had to fit after 6 years, I was wondering how much all of that cost?

Thanks
 

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Just be aware its frontal offset impact results were poor, even at the time of release. In Australia it only earned a 3-star safety rating and that was only due to a good side impact protection result. That said, I’ll be having my son learn in mine.
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Yes I have seen the crash test video on YouTube and it certainly isn't an S-Class in terms of safety, but with a Black box monitor installed by the insurance company I wont be going fast enough to injure myself *touch wood*
 

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The 147 was my first car and I loved it, a Sport Q2 with the 1.9 JTD diesel engine. In terms of what to look for, this might help: https://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-147-156-andamp-gt/1174099-147-156-gt-buyers-guide.html - using the 147 references of course. £1700 by the way is pretty good, I paid £1800 for the first years insurance and I was 23 at the time.

Lastly, just be aware that these cars are now a minimum of 10 years old and some are looked after and some not so much. So when you do go to see one remember you can always walk away, there are still lots of 147s around so you can afford to be choosy. Also, get friendly with your local Alfa specialist, they tend to know the cars really well and will be able to get that obscure part and provide quality servicing. You'll see lots of specialists mentioned on the site so have a look around.

Best of luck with the search :thumbs:
Thanks! Yes you are defo right about the fact that I can walk away from a car, and thats something I have always been bad on due to the fact I feel like I have wasted someones time looking at something then decided not to buy it, but thats definitely something to keep in mind! And yes I should also look more carefully when choosing a 147 as they are a dime a dozen on ebay and go for very cheap (400 for a high mileage and questionable condition - 1200 for a good low mileage motor) my budget is around 800-900, so I should get a fairly solid one with mileage that isn't enough to go to the moon and back!
 

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Yes I have seen the crash test video on YouTube and it certainly isn't an S-Class in terms of safety, but with a Black box monitor installed by the insurance company I wont be going fast enough to injure myself *touch wood*
Compared to more modern cars like the Giulietta and MiTo the crash test rating is pretty bad.

However compared to some of the cars that those of use who are slightly older learned to drive in they are very safe.

I learned to drive in a mk2 ford Fiesta which is a death trap compared to an airbag, ABS and traction control equipped 147.
 

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Lolololol.... checked the oil once a week, not topped up.
Although, on a neglected engine and doing the 70mile daily round trip i was doing at the time, weekly can be possible!

I was topping up every 3weeks, every 1000mls or so. Maybe about a litre.

Dont wish your life away hoping for cheaper insurance but, i'm £326 a year for the jts which is a 2 litre.
Things will get better for you in that area in due course
 

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Insurance for me, isn't that expensive (Based on the quote it was £1700 and cheaper to insure than a base model Citroen Saxo) but I guess that might be down to requiring a black box, where I live and a 147 being a fairly unusual first car. Iam not afraid to get my hands dirty, so as long as the parts are fairly cheap and the labour is free (I will try to do most of the work myself with my dad to guide me) and, unlike my friends I wont be ragging my car round every street corner at 6k rpm! Although I will be planning to have this car for the next 2 years and right the way through uni and possibly for another year or two after that, and after you listed all the new parts you had to fit after 6 years, I was wondering how much all of that cost?

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Not knowing a huge amount about the black boxes, but on the 1.6 at least, it does take a fair amount of ragging to get it moving, and you need to keep those revs up - add to that, the fun factor, of a small, well handling revvy hatxh, also these are cars that don't respond well to being babied along.

My 147 was what I'd term to be a good one, didnt use too much oil, was well rustproofed from the factory, and had had a relatively sheltered life - most of the work was consumables, and the car only left me stranded the twice, once when the clutch slave cylinder failed (which I knew it was on its way out) the second when the clutch slave pipe worked loose - likely my fault)

It had a hard life compared to most cars, being driven hard, and earning me more than a couple of speeding fines.

All told, I spent thousands on parts, more often buying OEM parts which in most cases is the best option, luckily I could do most of the work myself. I wouldn't say the parts are expensive, but it all adds up.

If I were in your shoes... Get yourself a Fiat Panda 100hp, not the best looking, but all the fun of a 147, with a better power to weight ratio more likely, and a vastly lower insurance group - you'll get used to the quirks of Italian cars, have 5 doors and if you're lucky, it'll likely hold its value better - keep it a year or 2, then move on, the first year's NCD makes a huge difference to your premiums.

I still want a 100hp as a second car
 
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