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Hi All,

This is my first post so go easy on me :biglaugh:

I have previously owned a 147 1.6 TS and and am really interested in a V6 as I will need a 2nd car as the girlfriendwill be using her/our Auris to go back and forth from Uni on a daily basis, however there are some doubts in my mind. I have checked countless old threads on AO but cant get my head around which would be better.

My head (and dad) says get the 2.0TS as it will be lighter on your wallet and my heart says get the 3.0 v6. I've test driven a 3.0 V6 and it felt so direct and sporty compared to the Auris and my 147, not to mention the speed, acceleration and the noooiiissseee.

On one hand Im thinking, lets go for the V6 while I dont have kids and let it burn a hole in my wallet, on the other hand my head is saying lets be sensinble and go for the 2.0 as its a big jump from a 1.6TS.

I will mainly be using it for a 4 mile commute to work and for fun at the weekend. The primary car will still be the Auris but for fun I will have GTV, estimate usage of the GTV will be 5k-6k a year.

I have got a good knowledge of cars and got the tools so costs can be kept low apart from the major parts, timing belt etc etc. Just wanted to know what the running costs (tax, mpg and insurance aside) would be for keeping a GTV in top shape and what you spend roughly annually on wear and tear and essential repairs.
 

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On a short 4-mile commute the difference in fuel won't be much.
Tax will be identical for pre March 2001, may be slightly more for later V6, but not much more.

Insurance is an impossible question to answer as so much depends on where you live. Go through the various comparison sites and check it out.

Personally, I'd go for the 3.0V6 GTV (I nearly did a couple of years ago, but went in a different direction in the end).
 
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I had a 2.0 GTV for eight years and loved it.

Throughout this time I always thought I really wish I had got a 3.0. When the GTV died I bought a 3.0 Spider - that was three years ago and I have put 20k miles on it since which is not bad when 90% of that was purely for the pleasure of it. I have spent a fortune but don't begrudge a penny of it.

However if you have a limited budget make sure that the cambelt is reasonably new (expensive). If the oil cooler and radiator are original you can bet your life that they will need replacing soon whatever the mileage. Original clutches are expensive to replace because often the DMF flywheel will need doing at the same time. Many (me included) go for the GTA replacement and solid flywheel at half the cost. If you can find one with a Q2 or Quaff diff fitted so much the better but don't be put off if you can't.

Front wishbones are quite cheap but the bushes don't last long. Check the rear tyres for wear on the inside - often worn bushes - again nothing major but all expense. This applies to the 2.0 models too.

For the mileage you intend a 3.0 seems like a reasonable proposition - just make sure you get one with all of the above done.
 

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However if you have a limited budget make sure that the cambelt is reasonably new (expensive).
That applies to the 2.0TS too.

The 2.0TS has more belts and more sparkplugs than the 3.0V6
(just in case you are looking for excuses to get the V6 :wink_org: )
 

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I had a very similar dilemma and went with the v6, mostly down to the situation of not needing the car for anything other than fun and the occasional commute. I was firmly in the get the v6 before i have to get something sensible for when i have kids, need a bigger car, etc.

My main argument to myself was that i had previously had a twin spark and needed to try out a busso!
 

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you done the wrong thing by test driving the 3.0 model.......................... this is a petrol head must have car, i have driven the 2.0 and its great quick enough and great sound for a 2.0 but as a comparison on the 3.0 its the one for me every time no question
 
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I have both and the V6 is a better performance car but....the associated costs can significantly lighten your wallet. Why not buy a TS (good ones aren't exactly big money) have some fun, get used to the marque and its foibles and if, in a years time you need to scratch a V6 itch, look for one then.

The TS don't disappoint, I always end up back in mine and I've had it for sixteen years! It just feels right.
 

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I've owned a TS for 14 years and it breezed its MOT yet again today nothing to be done.
Got a V6 about 7 years ago and the engine was not right when i got it and the car never got under my skin so I sold it after a year...I had kept the TS all that time and just switched back.
If I was to ever lose it I would get a V6 again but while my TS looks and goes like it does its fine by me as it is part of the family.
 

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Despite my love and obsession with the V6 :lol: ... My first Alfa was a lovely 156 Veloce 2.0TS and it was great, very light car and great Rev range. Enjoyable!

I'd imagine a TS GTV would feel similar.

V6 ownership is a long term thing and works best as an occasional, summer time driver. Well for me anyway, as I don't like getting it dirty. :lol:

Just be mindful V6 prices are on the increase now and I wouldn't leave it too long TBH.

But both!! :D
 

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I have had a couple of V6's, and personally I wouldn't even consider the 2.0

The V6 is more reliable, faster, sounds better and has enough power to outperform most other cars.

The 2.0 will get it's backside kicked by Diesel repmobiles. Although you will still look good going slower.
 

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Thanks for the responses :thumbup:

With the budget I have allowed myself I could get the V6 but as jurdy says it is down to associated costs. Which in your experience would be more reliable long term? as the 1.6TS in my Alfa did limp to the barn towards the end :paranoid:

Do maintenance costs like servicing and replacing the parts which are prone to failing on each engine differ that much between the 2 engines?

I may have to try out a 2.0 as I think I have underestimated it somewhat but hearing the V6 and feeling the power is really tempting.
 

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The belts on a 2.0 are a bit over £200 if you have them done at a Specialist. The belts on a V6 are £700+.
The 2.0 doesn't have an oil cooler and as someone else posted the pipes and cooler are prone to failure. Autolusso do a good replacement cooler. OEM pipes are like rocking horse pooh.

Otherwise maintenance is similar. The brakes are different on a v6 but not massively more expensive.

The thing about the v6 is that every time you drive you will grin from ear to ear but you will want to fix everything and improve it. The 2.0 won't quite have the same impact IMHO
 

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Despite my love and obsession with the V6 :lol: ... My first Alfa was a lovely 156 Veloce 2.0TS and it was great, very light car and great Rev range. Enjoyable!

I'd imagine a TS GTV would feel similar.

V6 ownership is a long term thing and works best as an occasional, summer time driver. Well for me anyway, as I don't like getting it dirty. :lol:

Just be mindful V6 prices are on the increase now and I wouldn't leave it too long TBH.

But both!! :D
That's what I am afraid of, I would get a 2.0 to start with as Jurdy said but with V6s getting more expensive and harder to find a good example I think its one of those things that I have to make a decision on in the near future/now.

If I did get a V6 it would be a car to commute the 4 miles to work (not exactly practical I know) but would clean it every weekend :biglaugh:
 

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I found my TS 156 to cost more than my V6 GTV in service/maintenance and cambelts every other week frequency ****ed me right off, as I was doing 20k pa.

You said it was a second car, so if we're talking say 3k miles pa, V6 all day long.

It's very evocative and it's pure Aural Pornography when the Busso hits it's sweet spot with a nice exhaust system!
 

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Whereabouts are you? I'm hosting a V6 run on April 17th - see SE forum. If you're in this area, pop along for it.
 

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Thanks Big Green Zebra, that cost is quite a big difference but as the belts need changing every 60k??/4years it lessens the blow over that period of time.

I'm generally a keep-everything-standard-boring guy.. maybe a sweet sounding exhaust as PJ says but this car on paper is a major improvement on my previous cars: Pug 205 diesel, Suzuki Swift 1.0, Alfa Romeo 147 1.6 so exhaust will be a future purchase if I will get one.

PJ - I am at the a:censored:e end of Heathrow :biglaugh: I will take a look on the SE page now and will let you know
 

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If you are serious take a look at the v6s Clive at CG Trading has in stock. They are top end price wise but very well prepared with all the wrinkles sorted. He only shows by appointment.

If you want as much advice as you can possibly get then pop down to Spring Alfa Day at Beaulieu on Sun 17/4. Someone there will know the answer to every conceivable question that you may have.
 

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I've got my V6 on Classic Car Insurance and this helps with costs. If I remember, when I had my GTV TS, that was also on Classic Car Insurance and there wasn't a massive difference. I think I paid about £700 all in for the two.

If you're a dab hand with the spanners, you can reduce costs that goes without saying. The V6 Front Suspension is likely to wear quicker given the lump up top. However in my experience there are age related things such as oil coolers, clutch slave cylinders, corrosion, exhaust leaks and brake lines. A lot of this stuff would be things I would be looking to have been done when you're searching given that most of the fleet is likely 15 or more years old. In another sense though, I've enjoyed getting to know my GTV V6, repairing it and bringing it back to life. The only thing that annoyed me was the rusty sills as I couldn't repair that but all good now!

It doesn't get mentioned much because of the engine but one thing I really do prefer about the V6 is the gearbox. I find it much smoother and effortless. It's a treat to drive and operate. However for winding roads the TS gearbox is probably a little more engaging.

They're both great cars in my opinion. I loved taking my TS on the meandering country bends and weekends away. I felt like I could drive the TS without things ever getting hairy; pushing it a bit more in other words. The GTV V6 is a little less forgiving and the handling is not as sharp but it just wants to go. A full freshen up of the suspension, Q2, polybushing and some ARB upgrades are worthy upgrades.

I've been without my GTV TS for around 4 months now and I replaced it with a 156 2.5 V6 and I think that I will probably revert back to a TS one day. It is more fun than the 156 for me; simple as that. I grew a bit tired of the silver colour in truth. However, the GTV V6 is something else. Money just doesn't even come into the equation with that car.

I live in Sipson right outside Heathrow - my GTV is in the garage at the moment but I would happily take you to see it, tell you everything I have had done to it, costs etc. Don't have the TS anymore but can certainly help out.
 
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