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Hello all!
In few days I'm going to check an Alfa 159 2.4 auto.
It passed 5 hands.
I can tell that the last 2 hands held and cared it pretty good. The 1st one put an stage 1. The nowadays owner did:
Swirl flaps off.
Egr off.
Dpf off.
And stage 2.
It's stands on 191k km.
Interior seems in pretty good condition by the photos.
Planning to take her to a "vehicle check" (not sure if I'm saying it correctly, basically means checking most of the car's systems.)
By searching on the internet I've got to knowen that I need to check the rust at the subframes + make sure there's a green fluid at the steering wheel.
What do you recommend checking more,
as I'm lacking in knowledge in sports cars and upgrades
. Been driving an Subaru and Toyota for the last 5 years 馃ゲ.
Sorry if there's a lack of language as English is my 3rd language.
Thanks in advance!
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I have a 2.4 JTDM auto! They are old cars now, so check all the electronics work (adjustable wing mirrors and electric windows, particularly the back two seem to stop working after years of not seeing use). They go like a train so when you test drive see how enjoy the power and torque. Look out for knocks or strange sounds when you're driving, the front is heavy so there will normally be more worn on the inner edges, see if the steering leans to any direction (tyre alignment is a cheap fix!)
Check the paperwork for any major repairs and see when the last cambelt and water pump were done is a biggie, they need to be done every 4 years or so and they are expensive. It might be worth ringing an alfa specialist and seeing if they have any advice or even if they know the car. Enjoy her if you do buy!
 

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I have a 2.4 JTDM auto! They are old cars now, so check all the electronics work (adjustable wing mirrors and electric windows, particularly the back two seem to stop working after years of not seeing use). They go like a train so when you test drive see how enjoy the power and torque. Look out for knocks or strange sounds when you're driving, the front is heavy so there will normally be more worn on the inner edges, see if the steering leans to any direction (tyre alignment is a cheap fix!)
Check the paperwork for any major repairs and see when the last cambelt and water pump were done is a biggie, they need to be done every 4 years or so and they are expensive. It might be worth ringing an alfa specialist and seeing if they have any advice or even if they know the car. Enjoy her if you do buy!
Thanks for your comment!
I'll update either way!.
Made a full list of essential checks that I have found around the internet.
I discovered that cam belt and water pump has been replaced a year ago,around 20k km probably. So that's a good fact.
which has a X it's been done on that car.
The list is:
Power steering fluid, the green one.
Swirl flaps off. X
Egr dpf off. X
Timing + water pump. X
Pulley + aux belt. X
Check about the radiator - if it has been touched or changed.
Corroded sub frames + suspension arms mountings.
Rear spring.
Electricity system inside.
Coolant valves aluminium. X.
At Tuesday I'm going for a test drive and as I said an natural mechanic.
 

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Hello to everyone reading this!
went to check the Alfa last day, to be honest got a little bit disappointed.
Here are the things that I found that made me reconsider:

It had been in a car acceident. The front had been changed, Though the body material wasn鈥檛 damaged.

From 2nd to 3rd gear, I could hear some kind of " knocks ". Mechanic said it鈥檚 probably the Transmission Mount. As I understood its not a big deal. Bottom
Also, it felt sort of weak until 3rd gear. When we drove to the mechanic ive noticed that the driver is using the +/- at the first gears, and not the " D " option.

Steering fluid is red. Said it haven鈥檛 been touched.

We could notice some stains of red anti-freeze water. Mechanic said it had been washed and the best thing I could do is to wait about a week and check again if there is any water leak, or it is just stains from past. ( owner had a leak and he set a new T pipe from cooper metal.

The car didn鈥檛 pulled her self, and the "Turbo scale" didn鈥檛 pass " 0.7 " until the 3rd/4th gear
is kicking in and u can feel the power than. Owner said that he think that that is how the stage 2 is mapped. ( he cant tell me who or which company did the stage2.)
The solonuid has been changed a week ago with new alternator.

AC didn鈥檛 worked properly.

The interior was in pretty good condition, except the drivers door interior kinda "slipped out" (sort of popped from its place) and the owner tried to push it back quickly, trying that I wont noitce :D.

The buttons on the wheel isn鈥檛 connected to the system. He said he is too afraid to open the plastics behind the radio to try to sort it out by him self. How hard and dangerous is it?

- it got to the time it need the oil change and filters.
tought to myself, that if I am going to purchase this car ill obviously do that.
how hard of a job is it to change transmission fluid?
(Mechanic said it might been changed because he can see some scratches on the bolt that free's the oil out.

Good things are:
  • no evidence of oil leaks. And engine seems to be good ( mechanic's word's )
  • no evidence of corroded subframes. ( we only set it on a lift,didn鈥檛 open anything we should鈥檝e. Mechanic explained to me that the corroded subframes usually happened more in the UK because the UK put Salt on the roads , + cooler weather
  • Control arm is seemd to be pretty new ( 10k kilometers, as the owner say's )
  • timing belt and water pump is new, was done a year ago. ( around 10k kilometers aswell)
  • Rear springs seemd to allright. Without rust or snaps.

gonna wait that week and come back to the mechanic. hoping it is stains and not leaks.
Mechanic said he gonna contact me as soon he will have an offer for the Transmission Mout.





































































































































































































































































































 

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Walk away there are plenty of others
Ye I'll probably will.
Too many red flags. Unfortunately in Israel,we only have 5 cars from this specific model(2.4)
And I only found 2 owners 馃槄

The rest and the most of quantity is 2.2 selespeed that I heard is baiscly a cancer on 4 wheels..

If not the knee injury from my service I'd be buying the tbi..
kinda scaring me that I'll be in too much pain:/
Gonna keep searching for a good and well taken care off.
Cheers for your comments !

Daniel
 

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Ye I'll probably will.
Too many red flags. Unfortunately in Israel,we only have 5 cars from this specific model(2.4)
And I only found 2 owners 馃槄

The rest and the most of quantity is 2.2 selespeed that I heard is baiscly a cancer on 4 wheels..

If not the knee injury from my service I'd be buying the tbi..
kinda scaring me that I'll be in too much pain:/
Gonna keep searching for a good and well taken care off.
Cheers for your comments !

Daniel
Glad you dodged the bullet! I'm not sure the 2.2 is that much worse than the 2.4! Someone else correct me if I'm wrong!
 

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Glad you dodged the bullet! I'm not sure the 2.2 is that much worse than the 2.4! Someone else correct me if I'm wrong!
Well that good and trustful mechanic and baiscly everywhere on the internet is written that 2.2 selespeed is Cancer on 4 wheels.
Decided to search for a well taken care TBI, as we have them here abit more.. and baiscly that's the most recommended model as I understood, besides the 2.0 that in pretty sure it haven't arrived here..
 
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