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Guys, is it worth fitting one of those laser/ speed detectors.

What's the best brand?
Price range?

The irony is that I'm NOT a fast driver.
However, I'm tired of the way the law is applied in this country. Why should I contribute to the R130 million made from fines annually to the city's coffers when they don't pursue ALL offenders with the same vigour?Besides, who knows where that money goes anyway?

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Laser detectors are a bit pointless, because laser is line of sight - by the time it beeps they already have a reading on you. 15 years ago when they were using radar there was a point to having a detector as the radar signal bounces over hills etc and you would get a warning early enough.

You need a laser jammer. and a proper one not a crummy thing that installs with suction cups caus then they can see it and prosecute easily. The proper ones look like PDC sensors - and actually provide a PDC function so you can explain them.
And when you jam them, they know - so it has to be a properly concealed system. Also the proper ones jam the laser long enough for you to hit the brakes, then you push a button and it switches off so they get a reading after you have slowed down, and they think it was just a momentary glitch.

Expect to pay R8k.
 

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Laser detectors are a bit pointless, because laser is line of sight - by the time it beeps they already have a reading on you. 15 years ago when they were using radar there was a point to having a detector as the radar signal bounces over hills etc and you would get a warning early enough.

You need a laser jammer. and a proper one not a crummy thing that installs with suction cups caus then they can see it and prosecute easily. The proper ones look like PDC sensors - and actually provide a PDC function so you can explain them.
And when you jam them, they know - so it has to be a properly concealed system. Also the proper ones jam the laser long enough for you to hit the brakes, then you push a button and it switches off so they get a reading after you have slowed down, and they think it was just a momentary glitch.

Expect to pay R8k.
Sounds like a lose-lose situation. 8k? That unaffordable price should keep the 'lunch boys in blue' still in business.
 

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I have friends in the US who use laser counter-measures.

They do work but as said it gives you a few seconds to reduce your speed
before the speed reading stabilises. They know you are using them and most
states are passing laws to make them illegal.

Here in Europe they are outlawed and they will confiscate and crush your car
(France) for having one installed! They don't even have to catch you using it.
 

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As I said, I very rarely exceed the legal limit of 120, but what riles me is that the majority of our 'kamikaze'mini bus taxi drivers break every rule in the book and they mostly get away scot free! In Durban, the worst culprit is a mini bus taxi owner with a fleet. He owes more than 100k in fines. To avoid detection, he has now altered one letter on his personalised number plates to change the name altogether.
 

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As I said, I very rarely exceed the legal limit of 120, but what riles me is that the majority of our 'kamikaze'mini bus taxi drivers break every rule in the book and they mostly get away scot free! In Durban, the worst culprit is a mini bus taxi owner with a fleet. He owes more than 100k in fines. To avoid detection, he has now altered one letter on his personalised number plates to change the name altogether.
Scot free is a misnomer - the taxis bosses force them to make very high targets and they have to break traffic rules to get the needed throughput, then they have to keep paying regular bribes to stay on the road. They are in a different cycle of "got them by the short-and-curlies". I would not want to play by any of those rules :tut:
 

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I used a Valentine 1 (V1) when I lived in California, absolute best of the best.
Unfortunately, those don't apply here...

Just recently got nabbed for over taking a truck spilling stones all over windshield in 'no over take zone'. Was unfortunate and I did whatever I could, have to pay the fine in November...smh
 

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I have a shifter ZR4 in my GTV. It cost about R4500 but it just works. No fasle alarms, it just works. Previously I used to earn about R12000 in fines per year. Now I get R200 or R400 in the 159 and nothing in the GTV. Best investment I ever made.

Yes laser is line of sight. If a radar traps you and you are not within line of sight then the trapping is illegal so guess what?...

The laser camera needs to lock into you and it sends two pulses within a set time frame, after "locking on" to you (it's like focussing with a digital camera: It takes at least 2 seconds to focus, fire primary, refocus, fire secondary) and as soon as your car is illuminated the system jams it, and you see the traffic officer look down at his equipment with a curious expression and my wife laughing at his reaction. Every time.

If you want to save R12000 per year buy the Shifter ZR4. http://www.escortradar.com/pdf/ShifterZR4InstallGuide.pdf

Nice function: It "hides" it's jamming capability after 4 seconds, so you have time to react while the office tries to re-acquire your car, then when it switches off, they find you traveling well below the speed limit. So even if they have a jammer detector, your shifter switches off and they won't find it.
 

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Scot free is a misnomer - the taxis bosses force them to make very high targets and they have to break traffic rules to get the needed throughput, then they have to keep paying regular bribes to stay on the road. They are in a different cycle of "got them by the short-and-curlies". I would not want to play by any of those rules :tut:
So one sector of the motoring public must not be punished at the expense of another!
 

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Scot free is a misnomer - the taxis bosses force them to make very high targets and they have to break traffic rules to get the needed throughput, then they have to keep paying regular bribes to stay on the road. They are in a different cycle of "got them by the short-and-curlies". I would not want to play by any of those rules :tut:
So one sector of the motoring public must not be punished at the expense of another!
Hahaha - my point is both sectors have their own punishment.
 

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One has to remember: Give a man some rope and he thinks he is a cowboy. Taxis drive the way they do, becuase they can. Not because they have to. Traffic officers do not fine them for driving the way they do, but rather wait for road blocks where they are sitting ducks, and issue them with overloading tickets, road worthyness tickets, etc but not the reckless driving and public endangerment tickets and fines.

Taxi bosses in different organisations operate differently: For example in certain organisations, the taxi owner gives the driver 30% of his earnings. The taxi driver therefore is the culprit when he overloads and speeds and drives recklessly to fill an additional busload of passengers. Also, in the western cape, the traffic department allows the taxi owner to nominate a driver per vehicle. For example CA12345 will be driven by Mr. A and CA54321 will be driven by Mr. B. When a fine is issued to any of the vehicles, the taxi driver becomes accountable, not the taxi boss.

Blame shpould be placed where it is due: No taxi boss wants to see his R300000+ Quantum being destroyed within 3 years becuase of overloading and wear and tear because the driver is trying to make a couple of extra bucks. They also do not want to pay hundreds of rands in bribes and fines because that eats at their profits. It is usually the driver who is wrong, and does wrong all on his own.

Jack over, back to the topic: Escort Shifter ZR4. it just works...
 

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No matter what the circumstances, the law must be applied equally, true to the Constitution. But then, when you have largely ineffective, incompetent people in control, that's a far-fetched reality...
 

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Im with Ian the shifter ZR is a brilliant piece of kit......but be warned it is illigal and if the cops get on to you and find it in the car you will be staying the night or day in jail until you see a prosecuter in count as they arrest with defeating the ends of justice...no fine straight to jail! I speak from experiance.
 

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Im with Ian the shifter ZR is a brilliant piece of kit......but be warned it is illigal and if the cops get on to you and find it in the car you will be staying the night or day in jail until you see a prosecuter in count as they arrest with defeating the ends of justice...no fine straight to jail! I speak from experiance.
Out of interest where did they manage to get you? Western Cape the guys generally are lone wolf and just let the camera do everything. I doubt they could manage to actually stop you. Can drop them quite easy. Northern Cape and KZN they still tend to have back up teams down the way that pull you over
 

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Out of interest where did they manage to get you? Western Cape the guys generally are lone wolf and just let the camera do everything. I doubt they could manage to actually stop you. Can drop them quite easy. Northern Cape and KZN they still tend to have back up teams down the way that pull you over
Road block on N3 in JHB at 10am in morning....Straight to John voster cells in JHB....Not nice!:(
 

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I'm all for traffic enforcement...in high accident spots! Not in an 80kmh zone downhill on a 3 line highway! That's just plain money-making!
 

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I use the cobra, keep it on my dash, never had a problem cause its a detector and like Ian says, they have to "shoot" you twice, 1st reading is not counted, only the second. by the time the 1st reading is taken, the powerbrakes gets called into work ;) and I've only ever gotten two fines since I've got mine. Both in Stellie (thats why I never visit El4Romeo anymore :cheese:
 

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I use the cobra, keep it on my dash, never had a problem cause its a detector and like Ian says, they have to "shoot" you twice, 1st reading is not counted, only the second. by the time the 1st reading is taken, the powerbrakes gets called into work ;) and I've only ever gotten two fines since I've got mine. Both in Stellie (thats why I never visit El4Romeo anymore :cheese:
Any specific model or any Cobra?
 
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