[Namikral]

for me front end is quite reminding on something that we discuss on this thread

Marchione will destroy the AR

Marchione is on the right track with AR, back to RWD is a start

 

[Il Cappuccino]

So i've come back to check this topic from being away from for ages. To surprise,we've gone from (including the two main topics for Giulia) "Alfa designs (156,159) are too much, people in this sector want bland designs, which 156/9 didn't meet, that's why they didn't sell" to "Giulia looks better than the simple 156/9 designs, which by comparison looks to bland compared to the Giulia, hence why the Giulia will sell." Seemingly if took all the mass spectrum of for and against when it comes to this Alfa, it just becomes a whole mess. lol.

But anyways, think we can all agree this forum shows that the new Giulia causes controversy, which in turn makes it really talked about. Which is a good thing. Even causes a person to throw their rattles out make trolling comments, if others don't agree with them.

One post that took my eye was someone saying that the 156/9 were 'too artisan' as to being one of the reason that Alfa didn't sell them, and implying that the Giulia is not artisan therefore and that's why it has a better chance to sell, including some Alfa-esque poetry to further describe (which we've all been there and witnessed). Although this is the first time i've witnessed it in a some what negative context. I personally believe it's nonsense. There's nothing about the 156/9 that suggest to me it's 'too artisan', just enough. The lines of both cars are very simple, it's just uses its shapes better than the Germans of the time imo. Nothing about the two cars comes across as overly extravagant. The most extravagant part of ANY Alfa is the grill and tash combo. But that's the fundamental i.d of Alfas.

If anything the Audis, Merc and BMW have become more and more complicated, but yet somehow that Mr. 'Buys an Audi because he doesn't want to be noticed' still carries one buying more and more noticeable cars. Which suggests to me, the whole subtlety thing is wrong, and it's more about branding. Which Germans are excellent for.

For me, the failures of Alfa's were the rep of unreliability and dodgy dealers. Whether it's true or not, it doesn't matter one iota. If you don't know much about cars, but the general consensus was that German are better for dealership and reliability. You're naturally going to go for that.
Couple that with the instance of FWD, and poor marketing. What do you expect?

With the Giulia, i've made no secret that i feel it looks like Bimmer, i have not read single post that'll whole heartedly make me change my mind. But the way they are seemingly marketing themselves, means they could do a Jaguar and nick some of the market, although the massive gap between show and release does worry me a bit. The fact it's going to RWD, means finally we're getting a proper driving car, and will appeal to the driving enthusiasts as well as the casuals. This is something we should all be excited about.

 

[TheGrimJeeper]

Just more BlahBlah and pseudo-design speak then?



What Alfa marketing have you seen in the UK for the new Giulia?



Have you actually even seen the car yet?


:lol:

 

[mash4077]

...

One post that took my eye was someone saying that the 156/9 were 'too artisan' as to being one of the reason that Alfa didn't sell them, and implying that the Giulia is not artisan therefore and that's why it has a better chance to sell, including some Alfa-esque poetry to further describe (which we've all been there and witnessed). Although this is the first time i've witnessed it in a some what negative context. I personally believe it's nonsense. There's nothing about the 156/9 that suggest to me it's 'too artisan', just enough. The lines of both cars are very simple, it's just uses its shapes better than the Germans of the time imo. Nothing about the two cars comes across as overly extravagant. The most extravagant part of ANY Alfa is the grill and tash combo. But that's the fundamental i.d of Alfas.

If anything the Audis, Merc and BMW have become more and more complicated, but yet somehow that Mr. 'Buys an Audi because he doesn't want to be noticed' still carries one buying more and more noticeable cars. Which suggests to me, the whole subtlety thing is wrong, and it's more about branding. Which Germans are excellent for.

For me, the failures of Alfa's were the rep of unreliability and dodgy dealers. Whether it's true or not, it doesn't matter one iota. If you don't know much about cars, but the general consensus was that German are better for dealership and reliability. You're naturally going to go for that.
Couple that with the instance of FWD, and poor marketing. What do you expect?

With the Giulia, i've made no secret that i feel it looks like Bimmer, i have not read single post that'll whole heartedly make me change my mind. But the way they are seemingly marketing themselves, means they could do a Jaguar and nick some of the market, although the massive gap between show and release does worry me a bit. The fact it's going to RWD, means finally we're getting a proper driving car, and will appeal to the driving enthusiasts as well as the casuals. This is something we should all be excited about.

this is probably one of the best comments I read here! thank you!

:beer:

 

[Papa Gallo]

Just more BlahBlah and pseudo-design speak then?



What Alfa marketing have you seen in the UK for the new Giulia?



Have you actually even seen the car yet?


:lol:

Alfa Romeo have always produced cars from passion, from the passion in its development stage, and the pride in "our noblest emblem" to delivering to the driver a car that is both pleasurable to drive and a joy to own, unlike your German mates who produce bland boring lifeless cars off assembly lines in Thailand and Turkey for the sole purpose of making money

Where Alfa can afford to be BMW-like with one release, they have the scope and latitude to revolutionise its design in future models without losing any credibility. The current crop of photocopied Audis, BMWs and Mercedes' are just a rehash of the old tired old boring box car theme that is always a German car and any deviation from that theme will never be made for fear of losing their conservative fanbase.

The current A4 looks like the previous A4 which looks like the one before that. The current 3 series the same, and Merc ? what have they ever done for automotive design and architecture other than bombard us with silver metallic bland boring cars

No mate, this Giula has a certain soul and character that the Germans can only dream of, not only that but the next one could even be completely different without standing out like a pair of dogs balls like a radical design change in BMW or an Audi would... I wont even include Merc in that attempt to radicalise because it would only be laughable

 

[Gioire]

Oh goodness me... to each his own

 

[Papa Gallo]

Oh goodness me... to each his own

it will never be anything from the Rhine for me

the Giulia QV has commanded the respect of a hand grenade with its pin pulled

 

[Gioire]

I like this render. Old but looks amazing

 

[PapaSmurf]

I like this render. Old but looks amazing

Enough with the renders already. We know what the car looks like! Learn to live with it. :tired::rant:

 

[Gioire]

Enough with the renders already. We know what the car looks like! Learn to live with it. :tired::rant:

Lol okay Father :lol::vs_smirk:

Still looks cool though

 

[alfizta]

I like this render. Old but looks amazing

awful
this was nice
Nuova Alfa Romeo Giulia - render Konstantinos

 

[Il Cappuccino]

Looks like some people still throw a wobbly if they don't like someone else's opinion.

 

[Papa Gallo]

Looks like some people still throw a wobbly if they don't like someone else's opinion.

if that is directed at me, im growing tedious of repetitive post after post with nothing to say other than "i dont like it" in an unsubstantiated manner

time to set the record straight and perhaps look at what the alternatives actually are ... boring rubbish, complete with the reasons that they are boring, and that is, i could almost predict what the 2018 versions of these so called alternatives will look like...just like each other, and straight off the photocopier with little or no mechanical innovation or conceptual design other than some useless (totally useless) gimmick like self parking aids, or the ability to retrieve your car from a parking lot via your phone (added to the price).
the so called luxury market sector is the sector that brings the most profit to manufacturers, not because of volumes of sales or popularity, but because of the mark up and profit margin...and people will continue to pay, as long as there is a fool, there is a way of extracting his money

feel free to shoot my opinion down, ironically enough, so please, play the car , not the man who is bringing you the facts of the matter

thank you

 

[Il Cappuccino]

if that is directed at me, im growing tedious of repetitive post after post with nothing to say other than "i dont like it" in an unsubstantiated manner

time to set the record straight and perhaps look at what the alternatives actually are ... boring rubbish, complete with the reasons that they are boring, and that is, i could almost predict what the 2018 versions of these so called alternatives will look like...just like each other, and straight off the photocopier with little or no mechanical innovation or conceptual design other than some useless (totally useless) gimmick like self parking aids, or the ability to retrieve your car from a parking lot via your phone (added to the price).
the so called luxury market sector is the sector that brings the most profit to manufacturers, not because of volumes of sales or popularity, but because of the mark up and profit margin...and people will continue to pay, as long as there is a fool, there is a way of extracting his money

feel free to shoot my opinion down, ironically enough, so please, play the car , not the man who is bringing you the facts of the matter

thank you

Not at you at all. The one's that actually give no opinion but skulk around throwing a wobbly at others without a proper rebuttal. Interesting that you're the one that takes offence though. Anyways how is saying "I don't like it" have to be substantiated? You don't have to prove whether you like it or not. Some people will like the look, some people won't.

 

[Papa Gallo]

Not at you at all.

oh ok, sorry,
yep i re-read the last couple of posts and yes, it was the response to one of your posts that drew my comments

. Anyways how is saying "I don't like it" have to be substantiated? You don't have to prove whether you like it or not. Some people will like the look, some people won't.

of course not, however how many bites of that cherry do people want, it was the frequency of the opinion not so much the actual opinion ;-)

The one's that actually give no opinion but skulk around throwing a wobbly at others without a proper rebuttal.

i think youve answered your own question for both of us here

;-)

 

[Il Cappuccino]

oh ok, sorry,
yep i re-read the last couple of posts and yes, it was the response to one of your posts that drew my comments



of course not, however how many bites of that cherry do people want, it was the frequency of the opinion not so much the actual opinion ;-)



i think youve answered your own question for both of us here

;-)

1. Glad we cool.
2. Well that could be said for people liking it. But again, i gots no problems, as long as it's actually an opinion.
3.Ha, I think so.

:thumbup:

 

[TheGrimJeeper]

Not at you at all. The one's that actually give no opinion but skulk around throwing a wobbly at others without a proper rebuttal. Interesting that you're the one that takes offence though. Anyways how is saying "I don't like it" have to be substantiated? You don't have to prove whether you like it or not. Some people will like the look, some people won't.

Don't be so passive-aggressive.

Say what you mean, with conviction!
(You have when it comes to the Giulia.)

Have you joined up to Audi-owner.com or BeemerOwner.com to tell them how much
you dislike the future models, you have
yet to actually see in real life, yet?


Make sure to get you flame retardant pants on:

You haven't even had a light toasting
on here concerning your pseudo-design-speak
views on a car you've yet to even see with your own eyes.

They may not give you such an easy ride on other sites for those German marques.

 

[Papa Gallo]

Have you joined up to Audi-owner.com or BeemerOwner.com to tell them how much
you dislike the future models, you have
yet to actually see in real life, yet?

.

i already saw next years AUDI and BMW last year, thanks

but, ive already said that havent I ?

 

[Il Cappuccino]

i already saw next years AUDI and BMW last year, thanks

but, ive already said that havent I ?

I've blocked him, but it seems like the troll/internet warriors believe, if you like the car you don't have to see it in real life, but if you dislike it, you have to see it in real life to really know your feelings. Such is the stupidity.

 

[Gioire]

I've blocked him, but it seems like the troll/internet warriors believe, if you like the car you don't have to see it in real life, but if you dislike it, you have to see it in real life to really know your feelings. Such is the stupidity.

:beer::lol: