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Hi Everyone,

I have just found this forum through a web search because 36 hours ago I was sitting at the side of the road waiting for the AA.

My beautiful 156, had coasted to a halt when her timing belt went at 70km ph.

The reason for the search was to ask your opinion on what is the best course of action now with a 2000 156!

Should I try to buy a reconditioned engine?
Should I try to sell her pristine condition body to someone who can give her a good life and start saving for my new Alfa while walking everywhere?
Or what should I do?

Finances are a HUGE issue at the moment and I really don't know what the financial implications are for any of my options. So any advise would be very gratefully received.

I am based in Ireland - in case that helps anyone in relation to giving relevant advice.

Thanks a million.
 

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Hi - Sorry to hear your news.

In the UK the normal advice is that if you are happy with the rest of the car, and it's all in good nick and has a few more years in it - then ship it off to one of the recognized independents and stick a recon engine in with a warranty. The costs are approximately 1200-1500 quid if I recall other posts on the topic.

On a 2000 156, in todays market - that might not add up into financial sense, but it depends how much you want to keep the car, and to be honest - if you spend 1500 quid now you'll have a car you like, in good order and with a warranted recon engine in it which should see you ok for a few more years. Can you do that by going out now and spending 1500 quid on a different car?

Of course that's only relevant if you have 1500 quid to spend (or whatever the independents in Ireland will do it for).

Good luck.

BTW - Had you changed your timing belt according to the new guidelines? If you had it changed recently could you go back to the people who did it to see if they will cut you a deal?
 

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Look in the buy and sell by a whole car for peanuts and swap the engine ,oh and put a new belt on it !!!!!!!!!!!! and thereafter every 36K
 

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This brings up something I have thought about.
Does losing the timing belt infer that the engine is surely trashed?
Is it worth having the car looked at to see if what, if any damage was done?

OK, my exerience is only from a 1982 US Escort, but I had the belt replaced and it went on for over 200K miles.

I guess I am thinking that I would not just write off a car without having it checked first. Or,,, does losing a timing belt quarantee a ruined Alfa engine?

PS, I learned my lesson way back when and change belts on schedule, since.
Cheers,
bill
 

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Hi PG, I have a 2000 2.0TS 156 that has done 57,000m motor runs like a watch, has two dented passenger doors has 1year MOT , would make a good donor for your car. What's left you could sell off to cover your costs. (trim, wheels tyres etc.). If interested get in touch.
 

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Does losing the timing belt infer that the engine is surely trashed?
Bent valves minimum. Possibly broken valve guides and big end shells may have been squished.

Is it worth having the car looked at to see if what, if any damage was done?
You might get away with just a replacement head and new belts and tensioners, and having the big end shells replaced. But once the existing head is off, any further damage should be obvious, apart from the big-ends. Sump needs to come off but it's wise to have them changed .. I know, I didn't and had a second engine rebuild a year later!

OK, my experience is only from a 1982 US Escort, but I had the belt replaced and it went on for over 200K miles.
I had one go on an old 1.6 Ford SOHC engine (low compression model) and that survived. Just put a new belt on and away she went.

Unfortunately most engines now are "interference" type and will always result in damage .... diesels survive a little better as the cam rockers are sacrificial and break rather than the valves taking the brunt.

Swapping out a complete engine is an option, but unless you are sure of the history, you could just be giving yourself a future headache. In the end I realised the cost of the work was almost the same as the car, but buying a new second hand one was going to cost more ... and besides ... it was my 156!! :cool:
 

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carzone.ie has the following:
* 5
* Alfa Romeo 156 2.0 twinspark
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* 1999
* Private
* Dublin
* 86,000
* Red
* 2.0
* €1,550

* 4
* Alfa Romeo 156 1.8 T.SPARK …
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* 1999
* Dealer
* Dublin
* 84,000
* Red
* 1.8
* €1,750

at the very cheapest end, so you can expect they might go for a few quid less. Cheaper than a recon engine+install probably!

Car prices are just 'orrid (for the seller) at the moment.
 

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Hi Everyone,

Thanks for all of the advice. I have had to buy wheels to get me back on the move. My local garage is holding onto the Alfa to see if a financially logical solution appears. Either replacement engine or someone who has an engine who wishes to buy a perfect body :)

Thanks again,

Phoenix Girl
 

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Hi Everyone,

Thanks for all of the advice. I have had to buy wheels to get me back on the move. My local garage is holding onto the Alfa to see if a financially logical solution appears. Either replacement engine or someone who has an engine who wishes to buy a perfect body :)

Thanks again,

Phoenix Girl
Hi, what colour is your car and does it have leather? What wheels etc? I might be interested...
 

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i managed to get a second hand engine from ebay for £180 +£50 p+p when the bottom end went on mine. if you know a friendly mechanic you can get it fitted for £300. just make sure you do the cam belt at the same time. my engine was A1. unfortunately everything else on the car seems to be going wrong now. haha. but hey its an alfa.
 

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Phoenix Girl, sorry to hear about your 156.

What part of Ireland are you? If you are in Dublin, Gerry Campbell could give you a good estimate to rebuild your engine or source you one at the very least

If it works out too expensive, like some have said, if you have a good spec and the body is in good condition, it would be worth a lot sold as spares
 

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This brings up something I have thought about.
Does losing the timing belt infer that the engine is surely trashed?
Is it worth having the car looked at to see if what, if any damage was done?

OK, my exerience is only from a 1982 US Escort, but I had the belt replaced and it went on for over 200K miles.

I guess I am thinking that I would not just write off a car without having it checked first. Or,,, does losing a timing belt quarantee a ruined Alfa engine?

PS, I learned my lesson way back when and change belts on schedule, since.
Cheers,
bill
Not always completely trashed but from all my recent research it's pretty common after a cam belt failure to need a new engine
 

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Phoenix Girl, sorry to hear about your 156.

What part of Ireland are you? If you are in Dublin, Gerry Campbell could give you a good estimate to rebuild your engine or source you one at the very least

If it works out too expensive, like some have said, if you have a good spec and the body is in good condition, it would be worth a lot sold as spares

I agree with that too, that is where all my work is done, Gerry is a great guy and knows his stuff, he is is cowper st., stoneybater, dublin 7
 

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Hi Everyone,

Thanks for all of the advice. I really appreciate it. Unfortunately I don't have too much time to dedicate to contacting people at the moment - trying to keep hold of my job and not really able to arrange calls etc.

I am interested in the thoughts of it being worth more for spares, is there someone I can sell it to at a reasonable price who in turn can make their profit handling the sale of the parts side of things?

I did have someone ask me 'How Much?' for her yesterday. I don't know whether they want her to repair or to sell as spares - so any ideas what would be a fair price for both parties?

In relation to the details as asked previously:

She is 00D, 1.8 petrol, grey/green, immaculate condition. No Alloys or leather interior.

Thanks,

PG
 

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Soory to hear ya bad new PG..... hope you get sorted on selling her for spare etc.... :)
 

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Not too sure what prices are like in Ireland, but over here something like yours would probably fetch £200 - £300 on Ebay. As a breaker I wouldn't pay more than the lower figure - although there is a reasonable demand for spare parts, the engines are the big money bits, and the body parts etc are not in great demand - so although you can make some money out of breaking them, it takes a long time.

Your side of the water things seem a bit more expensive, so it would probably be viable to buy a cheap 145/6 and swap the engine...
 
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Ring The Sweep garage in Kilmeaden in Waterford 051-384134. They may be able to help you out with something tell them Damien with the 146 sent ya they will sort you out:) Or ring Felix Byrne Car dismantlers in Gorey in Wexford 11811 is your friend for that number as I don't have it on my phone:( If you pm me I may be able to help ya out as I am going there on Saturday myself to collect a few bits.
 
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