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Hi, I'm knew to this forum but I have a question. I'm interested in purchasing and restoring a 1966 Giulia Sprint GT which is the only one of its kind in my country, Jamaica. It has sustained quite a bit a damage due to rust and is in dire need of upholstery. Due to non-use, the piston rings have seized there rendering the car pretty much useless. It will need new belts and hoses and new tires as it has pretty much been parked for 9-10 years. The owner, who is my friend's father says if I can make him a reasonable offer he will sell. He also has many spares for it which he will give me at no additional cost. Please advise me on a good offer I can make him. I'm trying to get the pictures but the rust is concentrated around the edges of the car such as door bases, edges of the bonnet, edges of the wheel arches. So help me out please. I need a good price to give him, but good for my purpose with the restoration and all. I am also looking to make it an everyday driver by certain modifications such as a new, modern radio, increasing horsepower by adding turbo, intakes and whatever else is necessary, while keeping the car as original as possible. I would also like to explore the possibility a/c being in a tropical country and all, I sure you can all understand. So could someone help me out here, especially those who have done things like this before? Thank you.
 

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The first thing to realise with pricing a classic car is that condition is everything, People will be asking as much as £15000.00 for a good sprint these days will in the UK, however a basket case will only be worth a tenth of that.
One major thing you have going for you though is that the early step front cars like this are starting to become very sought after, not just for their attractiveness but because they fall into a certain catagories of racing and rallying which is getting very popular, they also make the best basis for GTA replicas. A log book, chassis number and basic shell would be worth the £1500.00 on it's own, a complete car in restorable condition probably £2, to £3000.00.

Personally I wouldn't suggest you look to increasing performance untill you have tried the car in standard form, power isn't everything to performance and a sweet handling car with modest power will probably be more satisfying than something with too much power. If you do feel the need for more, then swap the engine for a 2L twinspark, it's quite frequantly done and would give you about 170BHP easily enough. Thats enough to give you serious performance, but you would want to make sure you sort the suspension, brakes and transmission too. Supercharging would be next, but then you are talking silly power for the type of car, the Island isn't big enough is it??:eek:

Air con has been done on these cars but other than seeing photos I've not had any experiance with it personally.
 

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About 105BHP from the top of my head. doesn't sound much these days but they go well enough.

To be honest I can't remember where I saw the pics of the Air-con car. It might have been on this forum, try doing a search and go back a couple of years or so, it might take some time. From memory that car was in Australia.
 

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Yes, about 100-120bhp depending on what you read (the original 1966 GTV brochure claims 109 DIN and 125 SAE at 6000rpm) A good 1600 Sprint GT will happily mix it with modern 1600cc hot hatches.

My GT is pretty standard bar some lumpy cams and a slightly derestricted exhaust and will cruise on a motorway happily all day at the same speeds as modern cars.

It makes most cars from the 60's seem very slow. Having 5 gears helps a lot too.
 

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Thanks much guys. The owner briefly showed me two catalogues with parts for the car, one of them contained documentation on performance parts that would raise hp to racing standards. Any info or advice on such parts? How much can I raise hp by adding such parts alone without thinking of turbo or anything in that league?
 

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so how much do these beauties cost when fully restored?
im interested with my sister to sell one DS [scrappie condition] and another one DS with a gearbox problem but in good condition, due to the fact that here in Cyprus few can repair the 'frogs' and its costy and time consuming so we are after another classic, giulia or a mg midget.. can we do it with 10k?
 

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10K (sterling) should get you a pretty nice one. The Earlier stepfront sprints and GTV's are fetching slightly more than the equivalent (in condition) 1750GTV's and 2000GTV's, with the 1300 and 1600 Juniors a little less. As I said in the earlier post it all depends on condition, but 10K is enough for a very presentable car.

Pigeonman, one of the best places for performance parts for these cars is Alfaholics in the UK.

Classic Alfa Romeo cars

I believe they will ship all over the world too.
 

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I think a 'market price' in Jamaica is a bit of a tough one. Since there appears to be only one in the country then whatever price that one makes is the market price.....

Realistically I'd have said that the market price there in the condition its in is probably quite a bit less than in Europe or the USA . Firstly the average disposable income is higher in Europe / USA, secondly there is a more ready market, thirdly there is a bigger support network in terms of specialist body shops, experienced mechanical specialists.

So as a different starting point, assuming the valuation you are looking at is a European / US value. To achieve that value you'd actually have to have the car there in those countries. So take the Europe/USA valuation and knock off the cost of freighting it out there to achieve that valuation. I'd guess that'd be $2000 USD or so.
 

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Well harryf, I offered the owner that price which translates to roughly $150,000 Jamaican and he readily took it and will give me everything he has for it at no additional cost, so its just to get that money now, seeing as how I'm only 17
 

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BHP is the power AFTER the engine has done 'other' work such as driving the alternator etc. There is no real way of converting this.

What you do need to realise though is that BHP to SAE and BHP to DIN are two slightly different figures.

I've just checked now and a sprint GT (1963 to 1966) is quoted as 106BHP (DIN) and 122BHP (SAE). A Sprint GTV (1965 to 1968), 109 and 125 respectively. The GTV got bigger valves and was jetted differantly.

DIN is the more modern standard and is quite close to the current method of quoting power which is PS.

As I mentioned before though don't get too hung up on these figures, the Sprint is fairly quick car, not massively fast by modern standards but quick enough to be fun.:)
 
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