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I am planning my next car... I am a long time Alfa owner that was convinced to change to Jaguar at last car purchase... This act of treachery was forced on me by:

1) The Alfa dealer in Aberdeen was crap
2) Alfa 166 or 156 was not as good as the S-Type
3) My wife liked the Jag :-(

That was 4 years ago and its time for a change ... The Jag was lovely but boring to drive, (poor steering and soft handling despite having the sport spec)

I require a Sportwagon as I have to carry some drums & guitars around on occaison. I have done a cost benefit analysis on comparing fuel costs over a year (annual mileage 12K) a 2.4 Diesel Q4 will save me £800.00 in fuel costs a year compared to the 3.2, (using official combined fuel consumption figures) but on average a diesel car with low mileage will cost at least £1000 more ... so if I buy a 3.2 I can save money ... :)

To be honest I prefer the characteristics of a petrol engine but I'd love to hear any opinions on comparing driving 2.4D Vs 3.2 petrol handling wise and living with.

I had a 155V6 before the Jag and I loved it... I know the new V6 is GM derived but what is it like?...

The other issues is servicing costs how do they compare?

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2.4 is nice to drive, smooth and powerful, but no-one seems to get near the quoted fuel economy figures. Not sure how the 3.2 does vs its supposed fuel consumption but i might have chosen the petrol if i'd known i'd only be getting 30mpg from the diesel...
 

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I run a 2.4 Spider and wouldn't change it for the world. Drove 2.2 vs 2.4 vs 3.2 back to back at Oulton yesterday. 2.2 gave best handling with least power, 3.2 gave worst handling but most power, 2.4 gave best compromise. Suspect my remapped 2.4 would have given the 3.2 a run for it's money.
 

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No regrets here with the 2.4. It took me quite a while to make up my mind about which engine to go for, and I test drove various combinations. After three months with the diesel I like it very much and I can't see myself buying a petrol engine again. The acceleration in the diesel is excellent and the handling very good despite the weight up front. You will have to tie those musical instruments down securely!
 

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I would go for the diesel, but I'd also think very carefully about a late model 156 GTA SW Selespeed, which you could get cheaper and would be an absolute dream to drive (with a decent set of shocks and Q2 diff of course) :cool:
 

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Had the same dilema myself a few months ago, although a Brera, my thread at time -

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-159-brera-and-946-spider/118667-brera-3-2-or-2-4-a.html

I went for the dreaded diesel but I am very impressed and enjoy it. 35mpg is Ok although not great but I could not live with the <20mpg of the 3.2! My 166 3.2 was averaging 25mpg, the new 3.2 is a let down imho as it has no real benefits over the old unit and has lost the character :(
 

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i went for the derv too. getting 36mpg with mixed driving. would of loved the 3.2 but the fuel bills would upset me.
 

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2.4 q4 - is a good compromise - i nearly went lpg converted 3.2 but eventually went 2.4 q4 ti due to it being an easy option (plus fears of gordon upping the lpg tax!).

previous car was a 500bhp 500lb/ft holden hsv monster so i needed torque! bhp sells cars - torque moves them!

ok so the 2.4 is lacking but is significantly easier to tune than a 3.2!

tried the fwd 2.4 as well - not bad at all but wouldnt be able to cope with more torque imo especially on the damp north wales drives work demands... yes 4x4 not needed for normal driving but spirited driving in say november with grime and snow?

one thing to remember is outright speed aint everything either... the smelly diesel q4 can out corner an integrale forr fun and mechanical grip..... i hate to say it (long time owner of an evo 1 grale) but it really is that good a chassis - ignore the bmw boring press the q4 is a lovely drive. i've driven gt3's etc and still love the q4 its a great barge in sportwagon form - i love it :) rwd bias is nice

as someone else has mentioned a gta sportwagon 156 is an alternative as well - great car but a few years behind dynamically on a 159 - best engine though (gone backwards with the gm / holden based lumps)
 

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forgot to add - 32 - 38 mpg with the 2.4 q4 sport wagon - not great but much better than the holden - 8 - 26 mpg! (yes 8 across town in traffic!)

32 is not sparing the gee gees - quite happy with that to be honest given the performance
 

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I've also got the 159 2.4 oil burner Q4 sportwagon: love it and stuff the fuel consumption. Must dash...need to drive to Sidcup and I'd rather be drivin' than surfin'
 

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Thanks for all that advice... Ok to rule out some things...

156... Nice car.. but Sportwagon on that has a smaller boot than the saloon, so its a no go.... mind you that lovely old V6 with chrome pipes... that was automotive pornography :lol:

Same goes for LPG conversions its takes up a fair bit of bootspace... so its a no go ...

I guess I really need to drive them ... I dont drive hell for leather (where does that phrase come from I wonder?) these days I leave that to my wife in her VX220 ... So the car wont be thrashed.. I'm inclined towards the Q4 diesel you do get some slippery days up here. My Jags not the most frugal car inthe world (I get around 26mpg) on average so an improvement on that would be welcome...

OK now I need to try one out ... there is a lovely 159 in Fife ...

2007 57 Reg ALFA ROMEO 159 2.4 JTDM Lusso 

Check this one out .. I love the red leather... but its black (a lot of 159's seem to be black) not my favourite colour as its a b*astard to keep clean and the slightest scratch shows up white ...

How does the automatic drive?

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Stuart
 

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If you don't drive hell for leather than I'd rule out the 3.2. The diesels drive better than the V6s unless you are going over 5,000rpm or so.
 

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156... Nice car.. but Sportwagon on that has a smaller boot than the saloon,
Well, not quite - it was marginally smaller when the load cover was pulled shut. But with the cover open it was twice as big and with the seats down four times the size!

159 2.4 Ti Q4 would be my choice.
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