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Does the engine have to be taken out to change the belt and water pump
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Don't think so, does this help? Cam Belt Change Guide on Alfa Diesel Engines
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Noooo
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Cheers guys, just that my Independent garage has not done one before and when he went online it stated that the time was 8.1 hours work and engine had to come out. He is'nt trying to rip me off have used him for years on various cars that I have had. thanks again
How easy is it to do yourself. I have changed a few timing belts before.ELEARN says it an engine out job :tut:
But I changed belt and WP without removing engine, even changed the cilinder head without taking engine out
CAMBELT ANTICS.
Book the Brera 2.4 jtdm sv in for its annual oil change and MOT at five years old. Service man says that it’s due for a cambelt change. ‘Are you sitting down?’ Its £950 and two days in the workshop! I reply that at 14,078 miles I will leave it to next year but actually don't have a spare thousand. Then discover that alfaworkshop do it for £450.So I ring Alfa at Slough head office to find out what they say is the correct interval and time allowed for this job, only to be connected to an elderly lady who didn’t really have any answers but wasted 20 mins seeing if she could find out. Now I have a case number and they can’t ring me back until next week. Did some more research and came up with four qualities of cam belts. The standard budget brand issued as alfa spares is by Dayco £97.02. Gates that are highly recommended £87.67. Continental quality German brand Contitec £77.93. And SKS, a premium quality belt £97.57.
So it seems that they fitted the weak budget FIAT belts in our Alfa's and then have to change them every 3 years or every 36,000 miles.A thousand pound bill every 3 years making it £333 pounds a year as an extra hidden service cost. This makes it an ownership issue. When this engine was fitted to a Volvo it's cam belt was good for 75,000 miles between changes! Alfa customer care ring back a week later to say that the engine has to come out making the job 7 1/2 hours labour 'because of the tight fit in the brera'. Jamie Porter's alfaworkshop quote £450 for the job and four hours because the belt can be changed without removing the engine. If Alfa knew this why didn’t they spec a Kevlar belt from Gates Racing for another £50 extra tops? Instead of costing owners a thousand pounds every three years or 36,000 miles? It still says 70,000 miles in the handbook so specifying a Kevlar belt would have made that a reality. The car passed its 5 year MOT and has required no repairs. Just wiper blades,battery ,tires so I'm pleased with it but really upset by poor quality cam belt fitted by Fiat.
Book the Brera 2.4 jtdm sv in for its annual oil change and MOT at five years old. Service man says that it’s due for a cambelt change. ‘Are you sitting down?’ Its £950 and two days in the workshop! I reply that at 14,078 miles I will leave it to next year but actually don't have a spare thousand. Then discover that alfaworkshop do it for £450.So I ring Alfa at Slough head office to find out what they say is the correct interval and time allowed for this job, only to be connected to an elderly lady who didn’t really have any answers but wasted 20 mins seeing if she could find out. Now I have a case number and they can’t ring me back until next week. Did some more research and came up with four qualities of cam belts. The standard budget brand issued as alfa spares is by Dayco £97.02. Gates that are highly recommended £87.67. Continental quality German brand Contitec £77.93. And SKS, a premium quality belt £97.57.
So it seems that they fitted the weak budget FIAT belts in our Alfa's and then have to change them every 3 years or every 36,000 miles.A thousand pound bill every 3 years making it £333 pounds a year as an extra hidden service cost. This makes it an ownership issue. When this engine was fitted to a Volvo it's cam belt was good for 75,000 miles between changes! Alfa customer care ring back a week later to say that the engine has to come out making the job 7 1/2 hours labour 'because of the tight fit in the brera'. Jamie Porter's alfaworkshop quote £450 for the job and four hours because the belt can be changed without removing the engine. If Alfa knew this why didn’t they spec a Kevlar belt from Gates Racing for another £50 extra tops? Instead of costing owners a thousand pounds every three years or 36,000 miles? It still says 70,000 miles in the handbook so specifying a Kevlar belt would have made that a reality. The car passed its 5 year MOT and has required no repairs. Just wiper blades,battery ,tires so I'm pleased with it but really upset by poor quality cam belt fitted by Fiat.
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I think the main failure point is the water pump, which the timing belt runs. Why didn't they just make it a timing chain i am sure i could deal with he extra noise and run the water pump off an auxiliary belt.
I realize chains can stretch but usually you can hear it and if not they should last the life of the engine.
Rob
I realize chains can stretch but usually you can hear it and if not they should last the life of the engine.
Rob
I think your find the belts are good for 90 k on motorway work apparently its the water pumps that cause the problems and shear the rubber teeth off the belt. I,be been informed if the belts do go its breaks the rockers first rather than bending the valves ass the pistons are dead vertical /that's a good design/
I think the first 3 belts you mentioned are more that up to the job. If your not going dig route take it to specialist who have done many before and know the cars well. No way lump out just a bit tight a a few cut knuckles.
They are not 36k that was the earlier twin sparks that had to change from 72 to 36 k as so many were snapping
I think the first 3 belts you mentioned are more that up to the job. If your not going dig route take it to specialist who have done many before and know the cars well. No way lump out just a bit tight a a few cut knuckles.
They are not 36k that was the earlier twin sparks that had to change from 72 to 36 k as so many were snapping
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Did my 2008 2.4 belt and water pump with engine in after 140000 km. Old belt and old pump still looked good but I did the full change to be safe. A bit tight to remove the long bolts at the front. Had to jack the motor up and down a bit to give clearance to get bolts out first and then back in. It also needed one new glow plug. All in all, not too difficult really. I have had worse!
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