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Can anyone tell me how much the ride height differs on a Veloce compared to a Turismo or Lusso. i.e the measurement from centre of wheel to bottom of wheel arch.
The reason being I have just bought an 03 SW Turismo that appears to have been built to Veloce spec. Western Alfa in Edinburgh told me this was common on the last of the pre facelift 156s. It does seem to have all or most of the Veloce kit, I'm just wondered if it also has the lower suspension set up. :confused:
 

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My Sportwagon Veloce Is Lowered Its A 2001 And It Sits About 6 Inc Of The Floor..... I Think It Is Still On The Original Suspension And Its Still All Good No Rattles Squeeks Ect.
 

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We have two 156 in our household, gluttons I know. One is a 2001 1.8TS Veloce and the other is a 1998 2.0TS. The Veloce has a lot of issues with speed bumps, and I am replacing the front Cat for the second time in as many years. My question is how do I 'un-Veloce' a Veloce ? is it just springs? or a whole bunch of stuff ? The two cars look to be almost identical in ride height from a distance, so 20mm could be all the difference.
 

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This old chestnut...
My first point is they have different exhaust systems. The CF3 2001 1.8 has twin cats bolted to the manifold. So my main question is does it hit speed bumps at speed or does it catch at walking speed? If it is the latter, it is a ride height issue. Can you then measure the ride height carefully? To do so, measure carefully from the wheel centre vertically up to the start of the wing at the wheel arch. That would probably be telling as to what the best course of action is.
 

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The 1.8 should have engine code 32210 and the 2.0 should be 32301. Look at the VIN plate on the landing panel under the bonnet.
 

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Thanks Fruity. I will get my tape measure out on them both. The CF2 has 50k miles on it, and the CF3 is closer to 180k, so I expect a bit of sagging. I have not experienced the speed-bump issue as the Veloce is my partner's car. However, walking speed is claimed. The rear of the Veloce had standard springs installed a while back, and this may not have helped either .
 

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The shock absorbers were also different, standard alignment settings were changed to reflect being lower. When I had 2 I noted the 02 V6 Veloce was exactly 25mm all round lower than my 99 2.0 TS with no sportspack. Oddly (not todo with sportpack I think) the 2.0 had cast iron suspension forks where the v6 had lighter alloy so the ride was slightly impacted by more unsprung weight.
 

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Yes, early cars had steel forks and later 156s had alloy ones.
Strangely, 147 & GTs went the other way and reverted to steel after 2005.
 

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Hi Fruity, I finally got around to measuring both cars' ride height, from centre of wheel to bottom of wing.

1998 156 2.0TS (51k miles!)
Front 385/382mm
Rear 377/378mm

2001 156 1.8TS Veloce(175k miles)
Front 360/352mm
Rear 366/367mm

I did put regular KYB springs on the rear of the Veloce a couple of years back.
But it does seem about 30mm lower at the front than the 1998 car of the year. I've watched the Youtube vidoes of the front strut removal, and I think I can do that, removing the spring from the strut looks a bit scary though. I guess I will see what other horrors need doing when the struts are out.
-Hazel
 

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Veloce/Sportpack should have ride heights of 370mm front and 375mm rear. Standard should be 385mm front and 390mm rear. I've not known rear springs to sag but anything is possible.

The bad news is aftermarket Veloce springs are no longer available. Only standard springs are available but there are specialists such as Alfa Workshop who supply genuine springs but obviously they are not so cheap. I decided to fit Eibach lowering springs to both my 156s. You may find this of interest;
You may find this of interest:

Failing that, I do have the original springs from my JTS which provided perfect ride height. The front springs are the 9 coil ones which seem to be more reliable (I only changed as a preventative measure) but it will be 6 weeks before I am home.

Have you changed the rear struts on either car? Often ride height reduction at the rear is due to the spring perches becoming corroded and dropping before they completely let go and drop onto the tyre. If they haven't been changed, very carefully examine the underside to the spring perch near the weld to the tubular body. When they start to go, it is the inboard bit which goes first so it needs the rear wheels off an a mirror to very carefully inspect.

The front springs on your Veloce are definitely sagging though.
 

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Hi Fruity, Yep, had a rear spring pan go on the Veloce and I replaced both rear struts and springs (plus some of the rusted bolts etc) . I was sold them as standard height by that place in Royston, very disappointing. Thankyou for the heads up on the TotallyAlfa height shims, that is very handy to know. I won't be doing anything until the summer, when the MOT is due, and it is spannering weather! If you don't need your springs anymore I may be interested, but new KYB ones are only around the £50 mark delivered, but who knows if they will fit properly. It is interesting to note both cars sit a little lower on the drivers side
 

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Also, that place in Royston assured me the suspension was ok, even though the tyres are wearing on the inside with a tyre life of around 10k miles. It seems obvious to me now this is due to a suspension height issue.
 

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Yes, being lower the car has more negative camber. It will be closer to 2 degrees but on our cars, I don't think the tracking has as much toe out as other cars.

My magic formula for all our cars is set the tracking as many mm toe-in for degrees of negative camber.

The trouble with sagging springs is that the springs are still fairly soft even though the car is effectively lowered.
 

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I wouldn't be too hard on Alfa Workshop. AFAIK, KYB never produced Veloce springs and all are meant to be standard ride height. Similarly, KYB never made struts suitable for Veloce as all were damped for non sports suspension. It is strange that your springs appear to have sagged slightly as I always thought KYB were actually better than Kilen/Lesjofors which generally appear to be about the cheapest springs on the market.

Failing that, I think if you find someone who doesn't want original GTA front springs, I think they should give about the correct ride height given that the GTA. I'm not completely sure about that though but I thought the GTA sits 10mm lower than Veloce but someone would have to trawl a genuine parts list to confirm that GTA rear springs are not the same as Veloce. If they are, I am wrong but after fitting the Eibach Pro Kit (30mm lower), I did think that perhaps unwanted GTA front springs may have provided a good solution. Then again, they may be more expensive.
 
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