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Do you think a GTA could hold its own against a ///M3

  • GTA to beat the ///M3 in both staright line and on a track

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  • ///M3 to beat the GTA in both staright line and on a track

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Two weeks ago I test drove a BMW M Coupe and 156GTA SW on the sameday. I test drove the Beemer first and then the GTA. The BMW was certainly the quicker of the two cars (very similar performance to the E46 M3), and if i'm honest, the car I thought I would end up buying.

Even though the GTA is the slower of the two cars, in the real world its the Alfa that oozes character in a way BMW's could never do.

I was smitten by the GTA within the first minute of the test drive, and I picked it up today...and love it!
If you do not believe me, maybe you believe the official statement.
2001 Mazda RX-8 technical specifications - Carfolio.com car specifications pages
2+2 FHC - Fixed Head Coupe....
As for stunning, like I said, it's in the eye of the beholder. To me the car looks like an atempt to make a "special" design which went very wrong and became something very common, looks like the Honda S2000 and a otn of other so called japanse sport cars. But that's just me.

PS. The BMW M Coupe is slightly faster than the E46 M3, but nowhere close in terms of space and practicability.
 

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Well if I call our pet rabbit horse it don't make it a horse does it?
A coupe has two doors, a saloon has 4 and hatchbacks 3 or 5 as do estates / SW and Tourings, end of!
 
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A coupe has two doors, a saloon has 4!
A mondeo is a saloon. It comes in 3 or 5 door variants.

A Skyline is a coupe, but there were some 4 door versions.

Not as easy as you think, this car designation malarcky ;)
 

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I have never seen a 3 door mondeo, the old sierra yes- do you have a link hst?
Also do you think an RX8 is a coupe or a saloon?
The things that would make it a coupe- ie coupe styling - also would count on a 156, lessening the impact of the rear doors.
As to the skyline surely only the coupe is a coupe, and the saloon is a saloon?
 
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Maybe you should check the definition of a coupe, it has nothing to do with the fact that is has 1, 2, 3, 4, or 1268409 doors.
 

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The video posted of the 156 is not quite an accurate depiction of the strength of the 3.7.

The 156 you see in the video has close to 300 000kms on it, it needs to be mapped properly, has a sticking clutch and the exhaust leaks.

Also that motor is an old spec 3.7 using Honda pistons and very different to the version built today using Ross Forged pistons.

Also the M3 in that video is not quite standard.

See this, a proper 3.7 vs a stock E46 M3.

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/tuning-and-upgrades/124937-3-7-gtv-vs-m3.html#post1903503
 

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the rx-8 is a coupe. end of.

there isnt really one standard definition of what a coupe is, its generally a 2 door car but can have 4, usually has frameless doors, but so do some saloons, often doesnt have a B piller, and has either 2 or2+2seater layout, but most importantly the modern definition has to have an interior capacity below a certain amount which technically means a ferrari 612 is a 2 door saloon car:cheese: :cheese:

on stagecoaches where the term comes from they were 4 seater coaches that had the front rear facing seats removed to create a smaller 2 seater coach.

the definition changes over time, convertables used to be called coupes as well. which is where drophead coupe comes from for RR convertables.
 

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The M3 CSL has specialist Michelin Pilot Sport Cups semi-competiton tyres as standard fitment, these are worth the guts of two 2 seconds a lap over even the best pure road tyre such as Pilot Sport 2's.

They are awesome tyres on a GTA for trackdays btw, my favourite tyre - but expensive!

I'm surprised the CSL wasn't quicker again though, its a stonkingly good car.

Top gear lap times tell you how it is.

147 GTA = 135.6
M3 = 131.8

147 autodelta 3.7 = 130.0
M3 CSL = 128.0

Alfa done!!:(
 
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BMW E46 M3 - 338 BHP - 365 Nn - 0-62 5.0 seconds - 328 Co2 Tax band M - 21 MPG - £42k to £58k when new dependant on speck - Astronomical servicing fees.

alfa 156 GTA - 250 BHP - 300 Nn - 0-62 6.1 seconds - 287 Co2 Tax band K - 26 MPG - £25k to £27k when new.

BMW's are for rich people with no Soul, passion or imagination.

Given the vast difference in price its stands to reason that the BMW is going to edge it from the GTA, but the GTA in my opinion is a far better place to be in terms of interior and looks. The E46 is already starting to look aged where as the GTA has timeless looks and apeals more to real petrol heads. I absolutely hate the the interior of the M3 and that straight six engine has no where near the same growl and impression as the GTA.

I will concede that the M3 is a engineering feat and uses quality materials but like all German cars it lacks any artistic grace, passion or soul.

I have and never will buy a BMW they are so Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Your not a true petrol head until you've owned an alfa!
 
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Most of the info you posted is false. I had an E46 M3 so I should know.
Co2 rating was the same as the GTA, 287g/km. Servicing fees were lower than GTA, both at their respective dealers. When serviced at independant services, costs for the GTA were still a bit higher, especially since the GTA uses bushes far quicker than the M3.
And by the way, if you quote UK BHP figures, quote them for both. M3 is 338 BHP and GTA is 246 BHP. When quoted in continental HP, M3 is 343 HP and GTA is 250 HP. Torque is Nm, not Nn, acceleration is 5.2s to 100km/h(62mph) for the M3 and 6.3 for the GTA.

Not trying to say the M3 is a better car, although it is, but it has it's drawbacks.
I am just trying to stay objective.
 
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Alexandrus,

I was trying to stay objective too!

Servicing must depend on where you go, I have a friend who is the service manager at BMW, Carrs of Bury St Edmunds, we compared prices on both our cars (he has an E46 M3 and I a GTA) both have similar mileage etc, his beamer was way more exspensive with higher costs on parts.
The Co2 rating is not the same according to our print outs, my friends came in at over 320 where as mine came in at 290, hence why mine is tax bracket 'K' and my mates is 'M'.

By the way it was a typo when I mistakenly put Nn instead of Nm, but the difference is, is that i'd have been aware of this had I read someone elses thread with a spelling mistake, so please don't patronise me.

The facts I gave about the two cars were indepently given from auto magazines, they were not just made up by me!
 
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Not ment to patronize, criticizing the typo was a bit OTT, I admit :)
Co2 ratings I posted are out of the manufacturer specs, no idea what they should be in real life because where I live, we pay tax based on manufacturer claims. As for price of the parts, it's very strange. When it comes to BMW, they supply evey single bolt as a separate part and the M3 is very sturdy, in 3 years of ownership never had any major problem. In more than 4 years with the GTA, same, no problems, but the mentainence costs were higher for the GTA because it requires cambelt changes, bushes or replacement wishbones, while the M3 never requires a cambelt change and bushes last forever due to more primitive suspension setup and more solid bushes at the same time.
 

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IMO the engine in the M3 sounds just as good as the engine in the GTA :p


Souless? I don't think so.


A 4 cylinder 318 is soul-less, but most BMW 6 cylinder engines are a bit special.
 
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Alexandrus:) no worries.

The E46 M3 is a quality bit of engineering, nough said!! They're just not an alfa though:)
 

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I remember when the GTA came out and my dad went to buy one. I asked the salesman the same question (being 10 and not up to sctrach with BHP stats) he laughed in my face and said you gotta be kidding right, compare the GTA to a 330i then you may have a chance :S

Asthetically though, the GTA would turn the table.

Salute, Giordano.
 

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Here is the news, people:

E46 M3

Power: 338 bhp
Torque: 269 lb/ft
0-62 mph: 5.1 seconds
Top speed: 155 mph (electronically limited); 191.38 mph (delimited)

156 GTA

Power: 247 bhp
Torque: 221 lb/ft
0-62 mph: 6.3 seconds
Top speed: 155 mph (was that electronically limited?)

I believe the figures speak for themselves, gentlemen. But, as others have said, a Bimmer is not an Alfa. :cool:
 
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