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Which one is the more engaging drive? I'm thinking more about handling than straight line performance.

Has anyone remapped the 1750? What's it like to own?

I'm in a very bad place with this Alfa fixation. Can't seem to get enough but cannot decide which one to get next.

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156 GTA all the way for me, lighter, better handling, more power, nicer noise.

Only issue would be finding a decent one, with out any of the usual rust issues, that and parts availablity for some bits is impossible.

159 is a nicer looking car (to me at least) but no comparison otherwise.

No comments on the remapping of the TBi engine I'm afraid.
 

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The 159 is a much more modern car. Stiffer, (much) safer, quieter. Not as "engaging" as a result, with a less good engine (obviously more gas guzzling though).

From what I understand the 156 rusts through like the tin man on lifeguard duty which was a big red flag for me but others might be willing to deal with.

In the end it is what compromises you can live with...If you carry kids or do long journeys the 159 is probably a no brainer...if it's for just a bit of fun the 156 GTA.
 

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IMO you are not really comparing like with like....A limited production special against a full production car that was just part of the normal range. Heart says GTA all the way...the weak points are as mentioned above...rust can be serious. Rather more expensive to run and maintain ...unless you DIY.....and can be rather more expensive to insure. As a daily driver it would be the 159 all the way....easier parts supply, better economy (just) and running costs and a little more interior and boot space. I would not use a GTA as a daily (although others do)...they are getting too rare and collectable....id have one as a sunny day toy.....and yes although looks are personal I also think the 159 is way prettier and the 156 range is not aging as well as even some of the earlier ALFAs..
 

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156 GTA will be much more engaging, it’s smaller, lighter and has a far better engine. A lot less suited to being a daily driver though!


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156 GTA all the way...still modern enough but yes the 159 is more refined, however lacks the real feeling of fun and entertainment you get in a GTA..... if Alfa had managed to sort emissions out for the Busso engine and got it in a 159, then it would have been amazing.
 

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No mention of the much maligned selespeed 159. No problems over 11 years. Much better control than a manual could ever give.


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Thanks for your replies. I was under the impression that the GTA with the heavier Busso would be a bit of a clunky handler whereas the TBi ,being lighter, would be a swifter car to drive round the bendies, especially in ti trim with its suspension upgrades.

GTA's are going for silly prices lately, and the low-priced ones makes me wonder if rust is the reason for the low price.



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No mention of the much maligned selespeed 159. No problems over 11 years. Much better control than a manual could ever give.


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Really?... 11 years..yours must be the only one! It's a horrible change, a crap design and unreliable even when it was brand new.
 

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I've just gone from a 147 GTA to a Brera TBI, so not too dissimilar to your question.

My 147 GTA was heavily modified to make it tighter and more nimble. The Brera just has a tuning box to take it 230bhp and 400nm or so.

Believe it or not, the kerb weight of a Brera TBI is only 100kg heavier than a 147 GTA, (according to online sources I've used such as zeperfs).

The GTA sounded better, was more "fun" was egging me on to drive it harder, felt like it wanted to be pushed to the limit. Power was really only from 4K and above though and it felt very nose heavy and bouncy even on coilovers.

The Brera is quiet and refined in comparison, it's better balanced with less weight over the front and more over the rear in comparison to the 147 GTA. The Brera just feels like it has much more even weight distribution. The Brera feels faster, due to the lump of torque the turbo gives you low down. The Brera makes you want to shift up prematurely like a diesel though and runs out of puff at the very top end whereas the GTA sings.
 

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Really?... 11 years..yours must be the only one! It's a horrible change, a crap design and unreliable even when it was brand new.
Really don’t understand the general complete dislike of selespeed.
Understand rarely sold with this in the UK. Rather different here in Australia. Sure takes a bit of patience getting used to its idiosyncrasies- still say it gives much superior control.


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I've just gone from a 147 GTA to a Brera TBI, so not too dissimilar to your question.

My 147 GTA was heavily modified to make it tighter and more nimble. The Brera just has a tuning box to take it 230bhp and 400nm or so.

Believe it or not, the kerb weight of a Brera TBI is only 100kg heavier than a 147 GTA, (according to online sources I've used such as zeperfs).

The GTA sounded better, was more "fun" was egging me on to drive it harder, felt like it wanted to be pushed to the limit. Power was really only from 4K and above though and it felt very nose heavy and bouncy even on coilovers.

The Brera is quiet and refined in comparison, it's better balanced with less weight over the front and more over the rear in comparison to the 147 GTA. The Brera just feels like it has much more even weight distribution. The Brera feels faster, due to the lump of torque the turbo gives you low down. The Brera makes you want to shift up prematurely like a diesel though and runs out of puff at the very top end whereas the GTA sings.
The styling of the Brera suits a quick-off-the-blocks pocket rocket, but the JTS engines are unimpressive in performance. From what I've read, the TBi has more usable torque in the lower revs, and this would be good coupled with a good suspension, hence my interest in the 159 TBi in ti spec.

Still, nothing comes close to the legendary Busso, I imagine... :sneaky:
 

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Selespeed was so poor they never even sold the 159 in the UK with it. Too many complaints over warranty work from UK dealers with previous models.
 

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Selespeed was so poor they never even sold the 159 in the UK with it. Too many complaints over warranty work from UK dealers with previous models.
Right, thought that was the case. Certainly plenty of complaints here in Australia though didn’t stop the sale of 159 selespeeds, one of which was mine


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still say it gives much superior control.
Compared to what? A generic old fashioned auto box like you'd find in a Toyota? Maybe, if you're in semi/manual mode and are really good at guessing when it'll downshift even though it's in manual mode.

Nothing, not even the fancy new ZF8's with all the bells and whistles will give you more control over what your engine is doing than a traditional manual gearbox and clutch. Either you're mad or the selespeed in a 159 is worth looking into.

(tbqh that line I quoted sounds like some marketing **** a car dealer would say).
 
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