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Hi,
I've had my 2004 2.4L 20v 156 JTD (175bhp) for about 2 months now and I'm interested in tweaking a bit more power out of it. What is the best way of doing this - Chipping or a re map? Any help on which is best, where to get the work done or which modification is the most reliable would be great. Thanks!:thumbs:
 

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Chipping and remap is the same thing...on your car all the work is done over the OBD port. About 1 hour to get the software from your car and about 5 mins to write the new one back.

About 210-220bhp and 500NM should be ok for your car....and you really should go for it.
 

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Red Dot in Watford. We're having a rolling road day there on 13th of September, we've got the remap price down to £180 which includes a pre-map rolling road run and post-map run. This is a custom remap too, not something you can get done anywhere without a rolling road :)
 

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Alternatively Angel Tuning can provide a mobile service anywhere in the UK.
 

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Cheers lads, don't think i'll be able to make the watford do unfortuantly, sounds like a right bargin! I'll have a look at angel tuning, is an extra 50bhp realistic?
I have used Angel twice for remaps on the 2.4 JTD (10v), and the figures they quoted me were not realistic. The second time they quoted me about 20bhp more than it had. Saying that, I did get thereabouts a 50bhp increase, but it was a very extreme map, smokey as hell and my fuel economy dropped to low 30s, but that was me driving hard-ish most of the time.
 

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Lets just clear this up once and for all. Please read the following as it should help build a better understanding of what all this tuning talk means rather than everyone on here assuming they know more about tuning cars than the tuners themselves!! :p

Custom Mapping
This is a one off done on the day for a car that has either specific
requirements or has had been previously modified with other items such as
bigger turbo's, inlets, exhausts etc. A "custom map" is then created from
the original software and tried and tested many times over. This will take
about 5 - 8 hours at least and will be done over many miles using calibrated
performance meters, dynos and diagnostics etc.

Generic Mapping
This is a map that has been developed over time for a specific software
build on a standard engine or an engine with modifications that are commonly
made (i.e. Induction Kit / Sports Cat) . This mapping will have undergone rigorous testing over
many thousands of miles and continually improved on by the tuning company.
Typically a good company will produce a range of mapping to suit most customers
over time for each software build

So what is best, custom or generic
If you have done non standard modifications or want to have something
different than has been previously tried and tested by the tuning company
then custom is obviously what you need. If you have no modifications (or are
having often seen modifications done at the same time) then mapping that has
been proven and developed over many thousands of miles of testing is by far
the better option from any company rather than one starting from scratch.
None of the professional tuning companies start from scratch unless they are
using equipment that they do not have the master version of and have to use
what are known as closed files each time

So...
If the tuning company are offering a custom map, expect them to spend
considerable time testing it, not necessarily on an artificial test (such as
a RR) but doing the mileage on the car.
If a tuning company are downloading a generic map, there is nothing wrong
with this, it will still be a good map providing it is from a good source
but please do not believe this is a true custom map - its not.

Lastly..
Custom mapping is NOT live mapping. Nor is a map that is loaded onto the car
with the engine stopped then restarted to test on a rolling road - that is
generic/custom that is run on a rolling road for a before and after
comparison - NOT live mapping!
 

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Red Dot are very good, I have seen them load a generic map into a car and not even rolling road it, on mine they tend to tweak the maps to the car and do this a number of times to get something better out of it.
I have spent a day there before, not wholely working on just my car, and need to go back as other mods have been done.
I would recommend Red Dot over a lot of others.
 

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Thanks Veloce auto! I'm a complete novice at all this tuning malarky, so all that information is really helpful. I'm just starting out but I'm wanting to spend a bit of money and bit by bit make my motor a bit special! I've really got the alfa bug!!
 

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... or you could get yours mapped at AHMotorsports for everything Alfa, Adie does a lot of race work and gets his maps from a company in holland (I think) ... I got an increase of 51bhp from my 2.4 10v from him ...
 

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If I get mine maped I will be using RS Tuning in Leeds.

He did my 172s map and it is spot on. He reckons 40bhp gain on the 20v JTD.
 

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They used to be in business in some way with Angel Tuning, last I heard RS Tuning weren't remapping cars anymore after a falling out with Angel.

40bhp sounds about right on a 20v.
 

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They used to be in business in some way with Angel Tuning, last I heard RS Tuning weren't remapping cars anymore after a falling out with Angel.

40bhp sounds about right on a 20v.

You must not be thinking of the same RS Tuning.

RS Tuning in Leeds is owned by a fella called Paul Murray and he maps tons of cars each week. I know of loads of people who have used him and no bad reports at all.

His map for an Alfa would be a tailored one.
 

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Ok but I can assure you Paul is still mapping.

I think what you heard maybe a bit of chinese wispas. Earlier this year he had to move because of noise complaints when using his dyno.
 
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