[solviken]

Is the 95 due to be replaced by the 105 Multiair?
Looking to buy a new 95, should I hang on or will the 105 be way more expensive?

 

[WishfulThinker]

I think if you order in Feb or March you will be ordering a Multiair anyway. Unless you go for a stock 95, of course, to speed up delivery time.

 

[pookie]

multiair 105bhp purchase price will definately be more, don't know about insurance as there are now 50 groups (supposedly to make things easier!) i think the road tax is the same band, petrol consumption is supposed to be slightly better with the multiair, if you can get a stock 95bhp you could save a packet and still have a great car.

 

[solviken]

Hmmm tricky. Over time the 95 will maybe depreciate more against the 105. But as you say, I might get a better deal on the 'old' 95.

And as for the yet unproven multiair 'technology' and negligable benefits? Whats it going to be like 50000 miles down the road?

 

[pookie]

you're thinking the same way that i did before i got my 95bhp mito. i've never trusted turbocharged engines and as the 95bhp 'starjet' engine shares the same block and head with less power and has been put in millions of fiats and lancias it should be bulletproof. got a shock though when some of the owners on here had water dripping from a pipe onto the alternator and freezing, i'm sure the multiair technology has been well tested but there could still be teething troubles, my 95bhp hasn't missed a beat but the only prob is it has to be put in 'd' mode all the time, it's a bit asthmatic in 'n' mode

 

[solviken]

Yeah agree, I'm not a turbo fan either. I'm used to 65 horses from my Punto so a 95 will seem like a turbo to me!
I've done 98000 miles in the Punto and not had any major probs. Thats the reason I'm looking at a Mito, lets face it, it's a Grande Punto under a very very sexy skin. And now the Mito is all Fiat and not Alfa, it should be reliable as well.

 

[pwig]

The 105 isn't coming to the UK in the near future according to Alfa

 

[mitography]

"I'm used to 65 horses from my Punto so a 95 will seem like a turbo to me!"

:cheese: Yep, my old Punto had just 55 - so my 95 16v seems like Thrust SS2...

 

[Mattgusto]

The 105 isn't coming to the UK in the near future according to Alfa

Its avaliable on the Punto evo....so if people really want the 105 and are prepared to wait for it in a mito i guess that car would give you a good impression on what the engines like in the meantime:thumbs:

The price difference between the 1.4 77bhp punto evo (same as in the mito junior) to the 105 is around £1,000. Maybe the difference will be the same between the Mito Junior and turismo? just a guess though!

 

[Mangoletsi]

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[solviken]

How come the Multiair 105 isn't as fuel efficient as the 135?
Does Multiair only work at it's best with a turbo?

I can now understand why Alfa maybe won't add the 105 to the UK range. What's the point? Less mpg, less power and speed and more Co2!

 

[Mattgusto]

How come the Multiair 105 isn't as fuel efficient as the 135?
Does Multiair only work at it's best with a turbo?

I can now understand why Alfa maybe won't add the 105 to the UK range. What's the point? Less mpg, less power and speed and more Co2!

It should still manage 50mpg - about 1 mile less than the 135 (on the punto evo range).

Of course theres a point - it can be the cheaper alternative to the 135 and its alot better than the current 95. In Italy its multiair only, and will be the same over here at some stage. Just alfa taking their time as per usual i guess

 

[MrMongoose]

the 105 probably isn't as fuel effecient as the 135 (especially in everyday driving, not max-eco driving), because it has to work harder than the 135 for the same acceleration.

 

[TuonoV]

Probably.

I remember when we took 2 vans 1800 miles across europe. One was a twin rear axle (2 wheels / tyres per corner on the back), loaded up to the max (3.5 tonnes) with a 2.4 diesel engine.

The other was only loaded up to about 2.5 tonnes, much smaller single rear axle van with 1.9 engine.


Despite the extra weight, the bigger van was cheaper on diesel, as the engine struggled less.

 

[Mattgusto]

the 105 probably isn't as fuel effecient as the 135 (especially in everyday driving, not max-eco driving), because it has to work harder than the 135 for the same acceleration.

But then why isn't the 120 more fuel effecient than the 95? or the 155 more effecient than the 120?

Maybe its got something to do with the mpg test conditions being more favourable to the characteristics of the 135. Forgetting the 135 though, taken on its own merits the 105 multiair is still pretty good as an engine and probably the best non turbo 1.4 around compared to its rivals (though I aint looked so could be wrong) and should offer a good discount over the 135. It'l make the mito a better prospect for people looking to buy lower down the range. Question is: how much more expensive will it make the mito over what prices already are.

 

[solviken]

What I'm getting at is the difference between Mito multiair turbo engines and non turbo Mito's. The Multiair seems to work at its best with a turbo and was probably designed with this in mind.

The 95 has near identical fuel consumption figures as the Multiair 170!

 

[MrMongoose]

But then why isn't the 120 more fuel effecient than the 95? or the 155 more effecient than the 120?

Maybe its got something to do with the mpg test conditions being more favourable to the characteristics of the 135. Forgetting the 135 though, taken on its own merits the 105 multiair is still pretty good as an engine and probably the best non turbo 1.4 around compared to its rivals (though I aint looked so could be wrong) and should offer a good discount over the 135. It'l make the mito a better prospect for people looking to buy lower down the range. Question is: how much more expensive will it make the mito over what prices already are.

i was also taking into account the technology that will make the multiair engines waste less fuel

 

[cremegg]

"I'm used to 65 horses from my Punto so a 95 will seem like a turbo to me!"

:cheese: Yep, my old Punto had just 55 - so my 95 16v seems like Thrust SS2...

My 98 plate Astra had a hamster wheel under the bonnet, no horsepower in sight. My 95 may not reach 60 2 seconds as fast as the 120 but I reckon its quick :cheese:

 

[Mattgusto]

i was also taking into account the technology that will make the multiair engines waste less fuel

but the 1.4 105 is multiair as well as the 135 regardless of whether theres a turbo in the mix?