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      The 3.2 V6 in the 159/Brera is basically a Holden Commodore Alloytec engine also known as GM High Feature Engine. The Alfa Romeo version was manufactured in Australia, but was in many respects modified in Italy by Alfa Romeo. Some parts (including the chains) are interchangeable with the Commodore.

      More detail on the various iterations of these Alloytec engines can be found at
      GM High Feature engine

      Looking at owners' forums for the Holden Commodore, it appears that chains made prior to 2008 appear more likely to stretch than those since 2008, as there was a manufacturing modification made by GM to address the issue in that year.
      Are you saying there are 2 different chains depending on the year model? I have a 2012 3.2JTS and am thinking of buying this kit because it is only 52 pounds but now you have me worried
      https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Timing-C...-939A0-3-2-V6-W-O-Gear-/173695167199#shpCntId
       
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      I found info on this forum that there are 2 different chain kits available for the 3.2JTS, it says they changed completely from 2009. Can anyone confirm this?
      This is the info I found
      First design timing kit: 78 link primary silent chain + 2x 92 link secondary roller chains
      Second design timing kit : 96 link primary silent chain + 2x 114 link secondary silent chains
      Mine is a 2012 so it would be the second design and I am planning on buying it from eBay at - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Timing-C...-939A0-3-2-V6-W-O-Gear-/173695167199#shpCntId
      I am not too worried that it is probably made in China because I will be selling it and carry on enjoying my 939 Spider with the roof down in sunny South Africa - Only problem is that it is so sunny that I get sunburnt and always have to wear a cap to keep the sun off my head. Even our winter is sunny besides a few days that are cold.
       
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      Thanks for your comments. The main problem now is that we're trying to verify (just to be 100% sure) has anything else apart from the chains, guides, tensioners, sprockets and VVT's changed along with introducing the second design timing kit. At this point my friend from the garage isn't positive if the timing kit for Cadillac / Pontiac / Saab / Suzuki 3.6L engines is exactly the same as for the 3.2 JTS.
      Is someone able to confirm are these 100% the same setup?
      Did the first design 3.2 JTS have the same specifics as for the 3.6L GM engines (as below):

      First design timing kit: 78 link primary silent chain + 2x 92 link secondary roller chains
      Second design timing kit : 96 link primary silent chain + 2x 114 link secondary silent chains

      Are these two sets exactly the same for the 3.6L GM engines as for the 3.2 JTS GM engine?
      After replacing the full timing kit from first design to second design on my 159, the mechanic suggested that perhaps there where some differences between the 3.6L GM and 3.2 JTS timing kits - although from my understanding these are exactly the same and users on AlfaOwner have successfully replaced their timing chain kits using the 3.6L sets imported from USA - is this correct? I purchased the recommended Cloyes kit number 9-0753S along with original GM VVT's (these couldn't be wrong, as only the newer type of VVT's can house the second design silent type chains).
      The person performing the timing kit replacement claims he's having trouble to align the VVT's on mark, as after changing from first design to second design I believe it's the exhaust VVT's that have their marks up-side-down now and the engine currently won't start (it does misfire every other cycle). If the timing chain kit's on both the 3.6L GM engine and 3.2 JTS are in fact the same (I'm nearly positive they are) this may be a problem of getting the marks set / alignment done correctly on the new type of kit.

      Is there anything I can do to help you help me - like photos of the current positioning, close-ups on any specific elements to verify is the marks / symbols are properly set and aligned?



      Thanks buddy, now it's an issue with misfiring and not running at all - therefore this is definitely related to the timing kit itself and my friend is positive that the solenoids for nothing to do with this specific symptom. Cheers for sending an idea though :)
      How will I know if this kit from eBay is the correct one for my 2012 3.2JTS? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Timing-C...-939A0-3-2-V6-W-O-Gear-/173695167199#shpCntId
       
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      Hi Alfa owners, I am Chris from South Africa, I have owned a GT Junior, an Alfa Sud (Alfa DUD) and an Alfa 33 Gold.
      I currently own a 939 Spider (sometimes incorrectly called a Brera Spider) and a 159 3.2JTS - I paid 1100.00 pounds for each (yes, you did read that correctly) as non runners and it was only the camchain stretched on both cars - It cost me 850 pounds to get the Spider's chain replaced and I am hoping to get the 159s chain replaced for around the same - I am going to use this camchain kit as it is 10 times cheaper than the Alfa original in my country.

      https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Timing-C...-939A0-3-2-V6-W-O-Gear-/173695167199#shpCntId

      WHere on the forum do I find the button to start my own thread?
       
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      This is ridiculously cheap:

      https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Timing-C...-939A0-3-2-V6-W-O-Gear-/173695167199#shpCntId

      Like a couple of others on here at the moment I've had a rear bank rattle diagnosed as a timing chain issue. My garage said it was a timing chain de-phaser (not actually sure what this is... do they mean one of the slipper pads?). I've seen prices from other threads for the lit ranging between £1300 to £250 using various GM part options. If i order the one above from ebay will it be made out of cheese?

      also, I've got particularly handy friend who has offered to help if I supply the parts and offer a job guide to save too much nugatory work. I've seen that both Roop and letholdus have done it recently but cant find any details in their profiles. Anyone got a link to the work needed?

      Thanks for any help!
       
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      This is ridiculously cheap:

      https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Timing-C...-939A0-3-2-V6-W-O-Gear-/173695167199#shpCntId

      Like a couple of others on here at the moment I've had a rear bank rattle diagnosed as a timing chain issue. My garage said it was a timing chain de-phaser (not actually sure what this is... do they mean one of the slipper pads?). I've seen prices from other threads for the lit ranging between £1300 to £250 using various GM part options. If i order the one above from ebay will it be made out of cheese?

      also, I've got particularly handy friend who has offered to help if I supply the parts and offer a job guide to save too much nugatory work. I've seen that both Roop and letholdus have done it recently but cant find any details in their profiles. Anyone got a link to the work needed?

      Thanks for any help!
      Hey Ben,

      This is the link to the post I started in Febuary when I did my chains. https://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alf...340-how-to-replace-sensor.html?highlight=roop

      The post starts with me not knowing what the problem was and thanks to Sizewell's advice it became apparent that it was lower timing chain stretch.

      1. Take Sizewell's and others advice and buy the Mace kit.
      2. I'd never done this before and the task seemed daunting especially timing a V6. Believe me it's really not difficult, just a little time consuming but really satisfying when you re-start your engine and it purrs :)
      3. I'm more than happy to answer any of your questions that I can if you decide to do this yourself.
      4. Again my greatest thanks to Sizewell and others help and encouragement on this forum for when I did mine. Such a great community.
      5. Alfa's are for life not just for Christmas ;-)

      Good luck mate,

      Roop.
       
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