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5W 40 fully synthetic priced at 90AED for 4 liters, made in UAE, for Lexus engines.

Seems a damn good price for a fully synthetic.. but is it good for Alfas??
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I think Spinneys might be coming out with their own brand of synthetic oil soon, you might want to wait for that?

My money is always going to go with a reputable, global company that has spent millions on research and development and has been tried and tested over the years. With a wealth of knowledge behind them, experience and longevity means they are doing something right.

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I think Spinneys might be coming out with their own brand of synthetic oil soon, you might want to wait for that?

My money is always going to go with a reputable, global company that has spent millions on research and development and has been tried and tested over the years. With a wealth of knowledge behind them, experience and longevity means they are doing something right.
Funny, that. A while ago you were saying that oil companies were using marketing ploys.... Perhaps if Spinneys did oil priced at AED 180 for a liter it would be very good?

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Funny, that. A while ago you were saying that oil companies were using marketing ploys.:
...like convincing people that there is a 'special' oil designed only for a lexus, and guess what, it's cheaper as well!

Whoa......there goes the outrigger....looks like the caught another one.....
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...like convincing people that there is a 'special' oil designed only for a lexus, and guess what, it's cheaper as well!

Whoa......there goes the outrigger....looks like the caught another one.....
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Moonlight, why not try posting your low tolerance theory on Humor - Bob Is The Oil Guy
 
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I can't see why you would want a 5 - 40 in Dubai, what does the temp go down to over there (?), I always thought it was hot all year round, in which case you would be better off with a 10-40 or even a 15-40.

There is also the fact that there's no ACEA spec on it; that would worry me.
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I can't see why you would want a 5 - 40 in Dubai, what does the temp go down to over there (?), I always thought it was hot all year round, in which case you would be better off with a 10-40 or even a 15-40.

There is also the fact that there's no ACEA spec on it; that would worry me.
As far as the Lexus is concerned that's what the manufacturer recommends, and I think it takes into account the engines being manufactured with such tight tolerances, improvements in oil, and the overall engine design and fuel mileage considerations. I think the older strategies regarding oil (lighter in winter, heavier in summer, etc.) do not apply for the Lexus engines ?

Anyway, as far as Alfas are concerned, the European ACEA spec not being mentioned, is rather worrying..
 
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Why dont you put some of this oil in your Alfa, and then report back to us on the results....

According to the Kuwaiti guy on your thread, there was a massive improvement in his car's running; much smoother, uses less oil. If those were the criteria you were looking for then this could be the oil for you.....AND, as a bonus, it posses another quality you like...it's CHEAP
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Why dont you put some of this oil in your Alfa, and then report back to us on the results....

According to the Kuwaiti guy on your thread, there was a massive improvement in his car's running; much smoother, uses less oil. If those were the criteria you were looking for then this could be the oil for you.....AND, as a bonus, it posses another quality you like...it's CHEAP
Moonlight, you seem to be fixating on the on the word CHEAP

Tell me why should anyone pay 180 for a gallon of M1 when they could get 2 of these and change oil every 5K miles? This would be more healthy for the engine than buying M1 and letting it run for 10K or running a part-synthetic which Alfa recommend. That said, the Lexus oil IMO, seems to be a rebadged Sharlu ACE 5W 40 which is exported to the far east for over 10 years.

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I have no fixation with cheap....I usually buy branded stuff, becaus YGWYPF...you get what you pay for. This is why I tried Al Ahli for a not so simple job, and found out EXACTLY that....YGWYPF. So I do most work myself, apart from the specialists jobs, which will be done by Gargash. Nothing cheap in that..

You on the other hand have asked where to get CHEAP plugs, CHEAP oil filters, CHEAP labour and works as well as this thread where you are seeking advice on a CHEAP oil....

Oh, and although I have great respect for their products and very nearly bought one recently, KIA (your forum name) have not been known for their quality (they are working on this) but rather as a CHEAP alternative....whether this has any bearing on your buying preference or not, ...I dunno.
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I have no fixation with cheap....I usually buy branded stuff, becaus YGWYPF...you get what you pay for. This is why I tried Al Ahli for a not so simple job, and found out EXACTLY that....YGWYPF. So I do most work myself, apart from the specialists jobs, which will be done by Gargash. Nothing cheap in that..

You on the other hand have asked where to get CHEAP plugs, CHEAP oil filters, CHEAP labour and works as well as this thread where you are seeking advice on a CHEAP oil....

Oh, and although I have great respect for their products and very nearly bought one recently, KIA (your forum name) have not been known for their quality (they are working on this) but rather as a CHEAP alternative....whether this has any bearing on your buying preference or not, ...I dunno.
With only 1 Indy garage for Alfa in DXB, 1 in AUH, and having got ripped off a couple of times, I thought it would be sensible to ask fellow Alfisti where to get decent stuff at non-rip off price. That's the purpose of the forum? Nothing wrong in having an understanding about the market and asking around where peeps get their supplies from, especially when there are not many options available for the Alfa? It has nothing to do with CHEAP

To cite an example, for 1 PA spark plug, I was quoted 150 by Hussein, 100 by Gargash, and 45 by SKA auto spares. So, the very same product at a different price at three different outlets.

The same Lexus oil costs 130 at some outlets, 90 at others, and probably lesser as the Kuwaiti dude on the forum mentioned.

Why are you carrying a massive 'CHEAP' on your shoulder?
 
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And with regards to the oil, others have tried it on their non-Lexus engines and have only had good things to say about it. I may give it a try after I get a reply from the guys at Opie and Sharlu (who might have a used oil analysis done on the oil). Will definitely report back.
 
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As far as the Lexus is concerned that's what the manufacturer recommends, and I think it takes into account the engines being manufactured with such tight tolerances, improvements in oil, and the overall engine design and fuel mileage considerations. I think the older strategies regarding oil (lighter in winter, heavier in summer, etc.) do not apply for the Lexus engines ?

Anyway, as far as Alfas are concerned, the European ACEA spec not being mentioned, is rather worrying..
It's not the fact that you use two different types of oil for summer/winter, it's the best type of oil for all year round protection of your engine.

The first number in the oil relates to how thin it is when the engine is cold (the lower the number, the thinner it is when cold) so in cold climates it's important to have a thin oil to protect the engine at low temperature.

The second number of the oil relates to how much it protects a hot engine, the higher the number the higher the temp it can protect, BUT, oil is also thinner at hotter temps so if you put in a 10-60 instead of the recommended 10-40, at high temps the oil may leak.

So.... it doesn't matter if you have a 0-40 instead of a 10-40 but it could if you use a 10-60 instead of a 10-40, but saying that, in order to make the oil thinner when cold, they put in loads of chemicals, which do break down a lot quicker than the oil, so the bigger the difference between the first number and second number on the oil, the more of these chemicals have been added.

Hence, if you live in a hot climate all year round, you would be better using a stable oil to protect the engine when hot (one with less chemicals inside it, say a 15 or 20-40).
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It's not the fact that you use two different types of oil for summer/winter, it's the best type of oil for all year round protection of your engine.

The first number in the oil relates to how thin it is when the engine is cold (the lower the number, the thinner it is when cold) so in cold climates it's important to have a thin oil to protect the engine at low temperature.

The second number of the oil relates to how much it protects a hot engine, the higher the number the higher the temp it can protect, BUT, oil is also thinner at hotter temps so if you put in a 10-60 instead of the recommended 10-40, at high temps the oil may leak.

So.... it doesn't matter if you have a 0-40 instead of a 10-40 but it could if you use a 10-60 instead of a 10-40, but saying that, in order to make the oil thinner when cold, they put in loads of chemicals, which do break down a lot quicker than the oil, so the bigger the difference between the first number and second number on the oil, the more of these chemicals have been added.

Hence, if you live in a hot climate all year round, you would be better using a stable oil to protect the engine when hot (one with less chemicals inside it, say a 15 or 20-40).
The 'W' stands for winter, isn't it? However, what I was talking about is some engines e.g. on Fords recommend a 5W 20 or 5W 30 irrespective of the climate conditions. This is because the engines are made to tolerate such a type of oil only, and lets not forget Ford spend the most in R&D.... Put in a heavier oil saying that it's summer/hot in my country and you risk premature part failure. I imagined Lexus also might have this 5W 40 recommendation irrespective of climate conditions.

Driving in the UAE you do not only consider the high temperatures alone, dusty conditions are prevalent, all warranting frequent oil changes (4K miles). It would be pointless thinking "Ah, I've got a 15W 40 in my car from M1 so I am good to go for a year!" NOT
 
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The 'W' stands for winter, isn't it? However, what I was talking about is some engines e.g. on Fords recommend a 5W 20 or 5W 30 irrespective of the climate conditions. This is because the engines are made to tolerate such a type of oil only, and lets not forget Ford spend the most in R&D.... Put in a heavier oil saying that it's summer/hot in my country and you risk premature part failure. I imagined Lexus also might have this 5W 40 recommendation irrespective of climate conditions.

Driving in the UAE you do not only consider the high temperatures alone, dusty conditions are prevalent, all warranting frequent oil changes (4K miles). It would be pointless thinking "Ah, I've got a 15W 40 in my car from M1 so I am good to go for a year!" NOT
What you have to take into consideration, is that Lexus and every other brand is trying to reach the global market and therefore oils etc are not specific to your requirements.

Like you state, running your car in dusty conditions is different to running your car in England, and I would say that in your country the car would benefit from an air filter change more than over here, but Lexus would only state (for example) an air filter change every year in their hand book, which doesn't take into account all the specific conditions of different countries.

I have nothing to gain or lose by giving you this advise, if you choose not to take it then fair enough, I'm sure you can do your own research. I don't believe that the Lexus oil will be bad for your engine, I just think there are better ones out there for your specific requirements.
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What you have to take into consideration, is that Lexus and every other brand is trying to reach the global market and therefore oils etc are not specific to your requirements.

Like you state, running your car in dusty conditions is different to running your car in England, and I would say that in your country the car would benefit from an air filter change more than over here, but Lexus would only state (for example) an air filter change every year in their hand book, which doesn't take into account all the specific conditions of different countries.

I have nothing to gain or lose by giving you this advise, if you choose not to take it then fair enough, I'm sure you can do your own research. I don't believe that the Lexus oil will be bad for your engine, I just think there are better ones out there for your specific requirements.
Very true - which is why when you go to ANY lube station in the UAE (for an oil change), the first thing they do, whilst your oil is being drained, is is to pull out your air filter and give it a nice dust-busting treatment
 
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Just an update...

Didn't receive a response from Opie (probably cos they don't stock it?) but the guys at Sharlu said it's 'very good oil for UAE'.

So...... I've done roughly 800kms so far on the Lexus oil and nothing has broken.

There's been no consumption in oil so far.

I'm getting more km/l

The acceleration is a whole lot smoother than before

The sound when the engine is idling is music

All this probably is because that the oil is a full synthetic and probably got nothing to do with the claim it's a special oil, IMO.
 
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Just an update...

Didn't receive a response from Opie (probably cos they don't stock it?) but the guys at Sharlu said it's 'very good oil for UAE'.

So...... I've done roughly 800kms so far on the Lexus oil and nothing has broken.

There's been no consumption in oil so far.

I'm getting more km/l

The acceleration is a whole lot smoother than before

The sound when the engine is idling is music

All this probably is because that the oil is a full synthetic and probably got nothing to do with the claim it's a special oil, IMO.
Fully synthetics makes a huge difference to the life of the engine. I never use anything else and Gargash were under strict instructions not to put Semi in.

The result. 230,000km+ of pure undiminished pleasure
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