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ARB bushes solution?? Eibach and Powerflex?

Evening all. I need new ARB bushes at the front and was advised on an Eibach ARB and some powerflex's. The guys at Autolusso suggested this to me when I had a Wizard fitted last month and now am considering that upgrade. Only thing, when they quoted me I'm sure they mentioned the rear end at the same time. Costwise I'd rather stick to doing the front for now and worry about the ar*e later. Any suggetions on what to upgrade under there (just fast A road and occassional B driving for me) so no track going.
What the costs are for the ARB and bushes and any others that might be worth doing whilst the suspension's being tickled?

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Two solutions really:

1) Powerflex your original front ARB. Costs is about £30 in bushes and in the region of 4 hours labour give or take (ideally this wants to be done as part of a general suspension refresh as a lot needs to be removed to do the front ARB). The Powerflex bushes aren't really an upgrade as such, just a replacement of a not very durable part with a lot more durable part. Maybe the bar will be held a little better in polyurethane rather than in worn rubber so you might feel an improvement but to be honest there isn't much in it. They are almost certain to last the life of your ARB though.

2) Eibach ARBs. Basically the only additional cost vs Powerflexing the original bar is buying the Eibach bars. In terms of the labour involved in fitting a pair of Eibach ARBs, 90% of the time is taken to do the front one, the rear is a doddle of a job. Plus, if you stiffen the front without stiffening the rear it will induce more understeer. Likewise if you stiffen the rear and leave the front standard, it will make it more tail happy. If you want to keep the handling characteristics the same but with less bodyroll, upgrading both at the same time is the way to go. Eibach ARBs come from factory with polyurethane bushes front & rear.

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There is almost no difference for your OE ARB what kind of polybush you will use.....grease it when fitted......
And most important IMO you or your mechanic MUST measure your ARB for any wear.....if more than 0.3 - 0.4mm wear - your bushes will last between 4-8 months........
And maybe it's good if you point your(or your mechanic) attention that i'd seen 3 different types of 156's front subframes, with square "holes" at place where arb shells "hold" the poly bush.....Don't know if GTA subframe is any different, never saw one......

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Two solutions really:

1) Powerflex your original front ARB. Costs is about £30 in bushes and in the region of 4 hours labour give or take (ideally this wants to be done as part of a general suspension refresh as a lot needs to be removed to do the front ARB). The Powerflex bushes aren't really an upgrade as such, just a replacement of a not very durable part with a lot more durable part. Maybe the bar will be held a little better in polyurethane rather than in worn rubber so you might feel an improvement but to be honest there isn't much in it. They are almost certain to last the life of your ARB though.

2) Eibach ARBs. Basically the only additional cost vs Powerflexing the original bar is buying the Eibach bars. In terms of the labour involved in fitting a pair of Eibach ARBs, 90% of the time is taken to do the front one, the rear is a doddle of a job. Plus, if you stiffen the front without stiffening the rear it will induce more understeer. Likewise if you stiffen the rear and leave the front standard, it will make it more tail happy. If you want to keep the handling characteristics the same but with less bodyroll, upgrading both at the same time is the way to go. Eibach ARBs come from factory with polyurethane bushes front & rear.
Yeah, cheers Dan, will have to think long and hard about this one?? want the eibach ARB's really, but will take alot of saving me pennies to organise it and at the same time can't stand the rattly sounding front end! Feels like things are loose if that makes sense?
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just had eibach anti roll bar kit fitted and can confirm the upgrade is fantastic.well worth the costs. at the same time I had new tyres and a full 4 wheel alinement so was hit with a triple wammy of inprovements.
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There is almost no difference for your OE ARB what kind of polybush you will use.....grease it when fitted......
Don't know if GTA subframe is any different, never saw one......
Polybush only lasts longer, no performance upgrade. The GTA ARB EDIT: Statement retracted.
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just had eibach anti roll bar kit fitted and can confirm the upgrade is fantastic.well worth the costs. at the same time I had new tyres and a full 4 wheel alinement so was hit with a triple wammy of inprovements.
I also have the Eibach ARB kit it and would also confirm the benefit. Fitting coil-over shocks was a bigger improvement, but that made the ride hard.

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[QUOTE=Gertie;5213231]Polybush only lasts longer, no performance upgrade.
Yes, agree........also using 26mm eibach, and combined with welded subframe is great handling upgrade.....

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[QUOTE=Gertie;5213231]Polybush only lasts longer, no performance upgrade.

My ePer release 73 shows ALL 156s except GTA as using front anti-roll bar p/n 51754198 (22mm) and GTA using front anti-roll bar p/n 51754199 (23mm). Its defintitely not just a way of screwing more money out of GTA owners, they're definitely thicker on the GTA. Also nearly half a kilo heavier.

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EDIT: Statement retracted.

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No, they do not.
All versions EXCEPT the GTA have the same front ARB, only GTA one is different.
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So please stop misinforming people when you have no actual knowledge or proof to support your claims.
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Sorry chaps, put the handbags away! wasn't expecting to start an argument? Just wanted help with a decision as most of the cost on this job I'd assume would be the labour and seeing that the subframe has to be dropped (I'm told) to get at the ARB then should I just wack an Eibach one in there or stick with standard? Decision's kind of been made now, I know I've got some saving and waiting to do, but in the mean time I've unfortunately got to put up with a motor that's jiggling and rattling at the front on dodgy potholed roads, but hey ho, been ere before with a GTV V6
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The agent who provided you the info is not spreading it on the forums like it's the gospel, you are.
Also, check you definition of trolling, if anything you're the troll, I provided very clear info with proof, you did NOT.
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The agent who provided you the info is not spreading it on the forums like it's the gospel, you are.
Also, check you definition of trolling, if anything you're the troll, I provided very clear info with proof, you did NOT.
My absolute most humble apologies to spread such heinous lies - I will amended my posts and hope all that quoted me would remove the same thus to eradicate the evil of propagating wrongful information.
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No, they do not.
All versions EXCEPT the GTA have the same front ARB, only GTA one is different.
http://i.imgur.com/GyDuCis.png

So please stop misinforming people when you have no actual knowledge or proof to support your claims.
Also the stronger (170HP) 1.9JTD GT and these with Q2 are equipped with GTA torsion bars.
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I know, some 147 and GT also use the 23mm front ARB, but that's beside the point, in the 156 range only the GTA uses the front ARB with a diameter of 23mm, all the rest use the 22mm version.
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Do Whiteline have some interesting ARB's too ?
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Do Whiteline have some interesting ARB's too ?
They seem interesting, but it seems they only have the rear ARB:
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Will it fit 156 TS ?
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Will it fit 156 TS ?
Yes you can get the rear bar to fit but I seem to remember the customer that bought one of these to fit on a 156 saying there was some slight modification required.
Whiteline used to do a full range of roll bars for 156 and 147 but the sales figures were so disappointing they only now offer the rear bar.

I think the reason is out the box the 156 and 147 handle really well. Compare that to a mk4 Golf where a rear roll bar upgrade is almost essential due to the chassis having way too much front roll stiffness.
link to the rear bar if of interest Whiteline Front & Rear Anti Roll Bar Whiteline Anti-Roll Bars & Alignment ALFA ROMEO 147 GTA 2002-ON
You could of course use this on a Tspark model if you wanted to use it on circuit but probably a little too much rear roll stiffness for road. It shows how well balanced the car is though - on a Golf Mk4 a 22mm or 24mm rear bar IN ADDITION to the standard bar is required!
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