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GTV V6 Brakes upgrade help

Evening all,

I know this has been discussed before but I wondered if anyone can give me a some advice.

My V6 GTV has EBC discs and pads up front, and has had new braided hoses and new brake fluid this week. The brakes still feel woeful. They pads and discs were fitted be previous owner about 5k ago and I wonder if these sort of brakes need to warm up?

I drive a lot of brand new cars for work and perhaps my expectations are too high but wondered what I can do to improve the 'bite' of the brakes. The pedal seems to travel a long way before anything happens, is it possible to improve the brake servo assist? Does the servos performance degrade over time?

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Do you know which EBC pads? They come in 3 flavours, green, red and yellow. Green are terrible and not up to stopping anything more than about 1000kg without crumbling off the backing plate, red are average fast road pads, yellow are powerful when hot but wooden when cold. I've had green & red in 305mm fitment and yellow in both 330mm and standard 284mm.

There are much better pads out there.
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Evening Dan, I've just had a look and they appear to be Red. There is loads of meat on them. DO these type need to be warmed up? Not exactly ideal for my commute if they do, and not very missus friendly either.

I drove a v6 with PF pads a while back when you were at the farm and they where a touch too aggressive. Any ideas / suggestions mate?

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Reds are terrible till warm IME
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Evening Dan, I've just had a look and they appear to be Red. There is loads of meat on them. DO these type need to be warmed up? Not exactly ideal for my commute if they do, and not very missus friendly either.

I drove a v6 with PF pads a while back when you were at the farm and they where a touch too aggressive. Any ideas / suggestions mate?

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You're wasting your time with EBC pads. Throw them in the bin and get some Ferodo DS Performance pads - these will be excellent. Even oe Ferodo pads will be better than EBC
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You're wasting your time with EBC pads. Throw them in the bin and get some Ferodo DS Performance pads - these will be excellent. Even oe Ferodo pads will be better than EBC
Well said

My last set of ebc green stuff spent more time as paper weights than they did fitted to my car!!!

For me pagid rs 4 2 blue are where it's at!!
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Green stuff.....average
Red stuff......ok when hot, flippin dusty and noisey

Ferodo DS 2500 with plain Brembo discs and braided hoses...excellent
Fancy Pagid pads with plain Brembo discs and braided hoses...******* fantastic

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Aren't Ferodo (DS2500/3000) squeaking terribly ?
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Pagid seem v expensive compared to the ferrodo ds2500.

I have done some harsh braking this morning to try and get the pads warmed. I've noticed that the pedal makes a noise/clicks when it gets to the end of its travel. It's not the switch, btw. Any idea what that might be?

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Aren't Ferodo (DS2500/3000) squeaking terribly ?
I find Ferodo DS Performance work very well and are not squeaky - and are approved for road use. I think you'll find that DS2500 and above are not homologated for road use, but for track only.
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Aren't Ferodo (DS2500/3000) squeaking terribly ?
Don't use DS3000 on the road.
DS2500 are not noisy providing you are using them hard enough. If you are not going to use them hard enough, buy a lower spec (and therefore lower cost) pad.
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DS2500 were fine on my old remapped 2.4 when I was 20 and drove everywhere like a ****, I loved then and I never had much problem with noise as I was always very late to brake and always did so pretty heavily (284mm fitment). But I found them a bit much on my previous GTA (305s), I couldn't use them hard enough on the roads to stop them getting squealy.. They were fine to use hot or cold, just incredibly noisy when using the brakes lightly and at low speeds. I don't know what Performance Friction you've tried previously as we've had two compounds in the 305 fitment, the first is road/race, bitey as anything, dusty and immensely powerful (more so than DS2500), I can see how people would find them aggressive. I had a couple of sets of these on my 3 litre 156 and loved them (305s again). The other PF compound is a bit easier going, not as bitey or dusty, but still with almost as much stopping power after the first couple of pedal presses and still fine when cold too. We first used this compound on Ned's 3.2 engined 156 V6 which had GTA 305s fitted and either got lent out as a loan car or got battered round Bedford Autodrome, both of which it did just as well.

Red Stuff I had on my 3 litre GTV and they were OK (305s again) but nothing special at all, not as good as either DS2500 or PF. Green Stuff fell apart on me (305s), and I have Yellow Stuff on my current 2.4 (284s) which are good enough when hot but wooden when cold.

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Reds are terrible till warm IME
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Thanks for all the input guys.

I no longer drive like a loony so don't need 'race' pads just something that inspires a bit more confidence. Although I do enjoy occasional spirited driving

Sounds as though the DS2500 are worth a go or perhaps a lower spec ferrodo pad. Will get some fitted and feedback

Is it worth keeping the redstuff ones for track use or shall I ebay them

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DS2500 are only going to be any good for you if you brake hard & late, otherwise they will be noisy. Ferodo DS-Performance would be a safer bet, and they are cheaper, but they don't have quite the same maximum stopping power.
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DS2500 are only going to be any good for you if you brake hard & late, otherwise they will be noisy. Ferodo DS-Performance would be a safer bet, and they are cheaper, but they don't have quite the same maximum stopping power.
Thanks Dan, I'll start with them. I'll respond to your email later mate


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It appears you cannot get Ferodo performance pads for the the GTV 3.0, back to square one.

Suggestions?
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It appears you cannot get Ferodo performance pads for the the GTV 3.0, back to square one.

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Fiat Coupe 2.0 20v turbo uses p/n FDS998 for Ferodo DS Performance, they share the same brake calipers as the GTV V6 24v.
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