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156 2.4 jtd 20v Sportwagon upgrade project

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Any suggestions or recommendations on the upgrading of my recently purchased 2004, 156 2.4jtd 20v veloce sportwagon would be much appreciated.

The car has only done 45000 miles and am planning to keep it for many years.

Concerns and priority are brakes and suspension.....scary!

Brakes: Ds2500 pads appear to be best like for like replacements along with new discs, but with so many 284mm to choose from. vented, drilled, solid???

Would love to get hold of Brembo GT upgrade kit (discs up to 305mm) but for the 1200 outlay. Any suggestions or alternatives???

Suspension: Speed bumps driving me crazy! Front end bottoming a low low speeds???
Like the idea of renewing everything down below. Also many kits out there but any suggestions or recommendations for my specific model?

Further on be looking at adding
Re-Map. Any recommendations?
!7'' alloys (on the way) refurb and store until after our winter here in uk is over
16'' Conti winter tyres (on the way) to go on my multispokes
ICE (on the way)
cruise control stalk (hard to find)
Leather interior (in the shed) fitting next week end
Exhaust/back box tail pipe???

Any other suggestions or comments would be great. Thx
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Apart from that I think you've got it pretty well covered, the suspension on the Veloce is good enough, although you probably could go with some uprated ARBs, de-cat, in addition look at getting a quaiffe LSD it will make all the difference to getting the power down
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suspension - Koni FSD + Eibach Pro kit springs + Eibach anti-roll-bars - lowered, tougher (but still comfortable over the bumps), no diving, superb cornering
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Thanks for the link Chris
Any recommedations on this bit of kit?
EIBACH Anti-Roll-Kit ALFA 156 932 EST 00-06
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Will/am looking at the Quaife LSD and need to find out more on the decat
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The Eibach kit is about the best there is, trouble is though I've heard it can start to "squeak" over time, the other alternative is putting the ARBs from the GTA
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Thanks Yan
I have read other posts recommending Koni FSD + Eibach Pro kit springs + Eibach anti-roll-bars
but I dont know if the Koni FSD will fit my 156 2.4 20v veloce. I see some are excluded? Self levelling systems?
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Thanks but I'm no expert so would really appreciate it if you could explain this procedure and the added benefits.
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Thanks Yan
I have read other posts recommending Koni FSD + Eibach Pro kit springs + Eibach anti-roll-bars
but I dont know if the Koni FSD will fit my 156 2.4 20v veloce. I see some are excluded? Self levelling systems?
I haven't looked into it too much, but I believe that you can fit it to one with the self levelling system, but the self leveling system won't work anymore.

As I said the Veloce suspension is not bad so give it a try first and see if you like it.
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leon splitter looks cool. FMI|C improves air cooling capacity to the inlet track reducing inlet temps. Improved performance through more dense air
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If you have self levelling you will need top mounts and some rubber pieces from the rear suspension of a non self-levelling car, I can help with that if it comes to it.

Koni FSDs are great, go for it

As for a brake upgrade, you could fit hub carriers & 4-pot Brembo calipers from the 156 GTA. Coupled with some lowering springs, these hub carriers give slightly less negative camber due to them having revised geometry for a lower standard rideheight. So reducing understeer especially in the wet weather is improved.
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I'm going to have my suspension checked by my old Alfa specialist and find out if i do have the self levelling system, which if fine will retain for now but add the Eibach ABR's.
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Thanks for the help Pud. I will get back to you once i know where i stand with my suspension.
Regarding the brake upgrade, I will look into the costs involved in getting the hub carriers and 4 pot brembo calipers from a GTA. Any advise there would also be much appreciated.
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See my thread regarding brake upgrade - https://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/tunin...s-upgrade.html
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See my thread regarding brake upgrade - https://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/tunin...s-upgrade.html
Same thing I have done Well worth it IMO
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See my thread regarding brake upgrade - https://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/tunin...s-upgrade.html
Thanks Yan
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I haven't looked into it too much, but I believe that you can fit it to one with the self levelling system, but the self leveling system won't work anymore.

As I said the Veloce suspension is not bad so give it a try first and see if you like it.

I think it may be the case that the Veloce sportwagon and Lusso sportwagon share the same suspension, unlike the saloon where the Veloce is lower/stiffer
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A pair of mito brembo calibers with 305mm gta discs would fit nicely ,and do the job just fine.
Got them on my 247bhp 20v sportwagon Never had any problems like warping etc
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What have you done to get upto 247bhp? Do you have an LSD installed?

I bet they are a big improvement over 284mm discs but they look a bit small behind those wheels, are they 19"?
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decat, modded turbo , modded inlet without egr , fmic, wmi . "dutch" hp on very concervative dyno also does 515nm!
No lsd..
those are 19"s en they did make the 305's look small and drove like ****! swapped them for 18" gt's
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A pair of mito brembo calibers with 305mm gta discs would fit nicely ,and do the job just fine.
Got them on my 247bhp 20v sportwagon Never had any problems like warping etc
Did you also change the uprights?
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Think I have decided to fit the Eibach arb's to the self levelling system but dont know if it is possible or recommended to fit the Eibach Pro-kit Springs to this suspension system
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Think I have decided to fit the Eibach arb's to the self levelling system but dont know if it is possible or recommended to fit the Eibach Pro-kit Springs to this suspension system
Not advisable to fit Eibach Pro springs on the self-levelling (Nivomat) shocks. I don't even know if it is possible, but it is definitely not advisable. The Eibach ARB kit will be fine though, if you can find someone who has a set in stock.

The self-levelling part of the system is part of the shock absorber, it is nothing particularly technical. To get rid of it you simply replace the shocks with saloon ones. Also requires replacement top mount & spring as they are different.
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Alfa aid in Maidenhead just confirmed i have the self levelling system. Took my chassis number, told me I didn't, then took a look at the car and kindly told me I do indeed have the nivomats!
The search for Eibach arb's begins, any clues?
Also need a cam change and full service, quoted 750!!!
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Also need a cam change and full service, quoted 750!!!
We'd do it a lot cheaper than that, give us a call 01582 869 560
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