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Had the car for nearly a year now and still really love it....but! I really need to sort out the handling, front seems to grip well enough but the back end seems to all over the place if I hit a bump or pothole. I have been watching the threads for a while and there seems to be plenty of options out there, but which one? I will only be using it for road work with the occasional track day so don't want to loose too much comfort.
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Koni adjustable sports dampers with Eibach lowering springs have transformed the handling of my car for a very reasonable price.
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Wonderd, has anyone fitted better anti-roll bars to the 2.4 Brera? I'm no expert and not sure I understand all the physics and dynamics at play but does this make the cornering experience a little less likely to make one sea sick? I noticed that kits are readily available. I have a 2007 and I know Alfa themselves made adjustments in 2008. Anyone any experience or better knowledge?
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Well the Alfa anti roll bars are supposed to transform the ride on the 946 Spider, which suffers from scuttle shake and roll. Not sure how much it will fix the roll on a diesel Brera though? The Brera and 159 already have legendary body rigidity. Probably more effect changing the suspension?

What I can tell you is that Eibach springs reduce pitching and rolling quite a bit - certainly you'd feel the difference. Little loss of comfort. I've kept the stock springs on mine.
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Thank you. It appears we have the same car. Same colour at least. I think I'm going to leave it the way it was the day it left the factory then. Have had the DFU removed and remapped to great effect and whilst I'd like it to be a bit more pointy perhaps I'll hold fire until someone lets me know they've got great results from some sort of conversion.
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Since the original springs & dampers are rubbish for the 2.4 I'd recommend replacing these both at the same time. I've had Koni adjustable sports dampers with Eibach springs fitted which have totally eliminated the ridiculous Brera body roll&pitch feature...
Totally transformed the handling and the car grips well.
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Oh! great thanks for that - getting a quote from Alfa Aid. Thank you.
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Thank you. It appears we have the same car. Same colour at least. I think I'm going to leave it the way it was the day it left the factory then. Have had the DFU removed and remapped to great effect and whilst I'd like it to be a bit more pointy perhaps I'll hold fire until someone lets me know they've got great results from some sort of conversion.
Yep lovely colour. Mine is actually a petrol 2.2 so the weight is lower, ride is slightly lower and dynamics different. For this model I've found that Eibach springs on stock dampers alone do the job very nicely, but as pointed out above maybe you should get the dampers done at the same time. You don't have to get fully adjustable dampers though (they are much more expensive). I'm sure Koni non-adjustables would be good enough. Adjustables allow you to play around with settings for different roads,

Has anyone changed only the springs on the diesel? Is that not a good recipe on a 2.4?

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The standard springs & dampers on the 2.4 are rubbish compared to what I now drive. AR updated these on the 'S' cars but for some reason left the 2.4 as is. Leaving the original dampers will not improve the damping. On my Koni's I can adjust the damping on the front and it does make a noticeable difference. The Koni adjustable sports dampers are quite reasonable and if you're replacing the springs you may as well sort it out properly... I had mine done at Alfatune after Gus' recommendation and never looked back...

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Has anyone changed only the springs on the diesel? Is that not a good recipe on a 2.4?
I am doing this tomorrow - going for the Pro Kit with the stock dampers. I can't justify the £500 extra, however it will be interesting to see what the difference it makes.
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Cool, will be interesting to see what happens on a 2.4...
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I am doing this tomorrow - going for the Pro Kit with the stock dampers. I can't justify the £500 extra, however it will be interesting to see what the difference it makes.
Are doing the job yourself?
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Are doing the job yourself?
No - got a very good tame mechanic friend on it It's been put back a few weeks due to the amount of time actually required to do the work. Didn't realise it was such a long job! We did the springs on my Grande Punto, it took less than an hour, this is going to be almost a full day, even with full garage tools. I'll update when it is finally done, I'm not looking for miracles, just something to rid a little of the pitch/roll without compromising the ride comfort or breaking the bank.

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My local garage did a damper (and hence spring) change in 3 hours, and they had never worked on a 159 before.
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My springs and dampers were changed in about 4 hours.
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My springs and dampers were changed in about 4 hours.
Yep - which is why it needs a full day at it, just in case. We tried to do it on a Saturday afternoon after the garage he works at closed. Reckon around 3-4hrs of work. We also need to do the front brakes which will add a little time to it. Will report back when it's done
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Yep - which is why it needs a full day at it, just in case. We tried to do it on a Saturday afternoon after the garage he works at closed. Reckon around 3-4hrs of work. We also need to do the front brakes which will add a little time to it. Will report back when it's done
Just bumping this as i'm doing mine tomorrow.

Anyone done this themselves? i.e. not a garage

Is 4 hrs still ok on drive with a trolley jack?
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All Done !

Must say it was easier than I thought. Followed the instructions on here from previous posters. All four took about 5 hours all in.

Just had a quick test drive and OMG what a difference £180 worth of kit can make! Besides the look of the car which now just looks perfect it drives so much better, no squatting under braking, flat cornering etc.

For such a simple change why didn't they make them like that from the start?
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Seeing as quite a few of you guys are all local maybe there is an opportunity to get together and see what the difference is with various setups?

Maybe at the next Northern Italian Car Night at the end of the month?

Having just got mine I haven't really had opportunity to explore the limits of traction but I have to say it sticks to the road far better than my GTA did on Coilovers with Eibach ARBs, the Brera's cornering grip is phenomenal and I can't say mine rolls or pitches that much either but then, maybe I'm not pushing it hard enough.



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Seeing as quite a few of you guys are all local maybe there is an opportunity to get together and see what the difference is with various setups?

Maybe at the next Northern Italian Car Night at the end of the month?

Having just got mine I haven't really had opportunity to explore the limits of traction but I have to say it sticks to the road far better than my GTA did on Coilovers with Eibach ARBs, the Brera's cornering grip is phenomenal and I can't say mine rolls or pitches that much either but then, maybe I'm not pushing it hard enough.



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Mine is sadly still on stock springs

The car does have a lot of grip, but when you really push on you can really feel the weight of the car (maybe less so with the S2 2.2)
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Mine is sadly still on stock springs

The car does have a lot of grip, but when you really push on you can really feel the weight of the car (maybe less so with the S2 2.2)
So is mine, it was the GTA on coilovers, everything is standard on this car
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The body roll was ok on the stock springs. The Eibachs stop the front end diving under braking and nose raising under acceleration. Also on the twistes the normal lurching due to the weight is vastly reduced. And not to forget that 25mm drop just finishes off the looks perfectly

Went out on the motorway yesterday too and thats just as quiet and smooth as the stock springs. Got to be one of best mods for the Brera.
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Mmmhhhh, I'm not sure if you had different stock springs on your Brera but the bodyroll on mine was just ridiculous - the car moved like a bouncy castle!

I'd say the stock spring & dampers on the standard 2.4jtdm Brera are simply not good enough. Why Alfa got prodrive to only fix the suspension for the petrol BreraS versions...

I replaced my stock springs & dampers for Eibach springs and Koni adjustable sports dampers and the car now grips like a dream and has virtually zero bodyroll without feeling too stiff.

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The body roll was ok on the stock springs. The Eibachs stop the front end diving under braking and nose raising under acceleration. Also on the twistes the normal lurching due to the weight is vastly reduced. And not to forget that 25mm drop just finishes off the looks perfectly

Went out on the motorway yesterday too and thats just as quiet and smooth as the stock springs. Got to be one of best mods for the Brera.
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I'd say the stock spring & dampers on the standard 2.4jtdm Brera are simply not good enough. Why Alfa got prodrive to only fix the suspension for the petrol BreraS versions...
Same here! For me a 2.4S would be my ultimate Brera
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