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Golf 2.0 TDI Remap.?

Ok i know this is not an Alfa but this is the only forum where i may get the answer i am looking for.
My mum is buying a mk6 golf 2.0 TDI. This engine comes with either 110 bhp or 140 bhp.
The difference in price is nearly £2000 for the 140 bhp version.
As far as i know the engine is the same for both variants only the map is different.
I have been checking out red dot etc but i can only find remap figures for the 140 bhp version which will increase bhp to around 170 bhp.
Now if the engine is identical between the two surely you can get the 110 to put out 170 bhp with a remap and save £1500 in the process.?
Does anybody know if there is any mechanical difference between the two engines.
Because if there is no difference we will be telling mr VW to stick his 140 bhp version up his backside and buy the 110 and drive it straight to red dot or where ever and get it to put out some more respectable bhp figures and and think of what to spend the £1500 saved on.
I hope someone on here knows.
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This is EDC17 equiped car...not many companies do them right now, that is why you don't see figures for 110version on most sites.

You get around 150hp and 320NM from the 110hp version with a remap.

My advice is go for the 140 version....but if your mom is going to drive the car, then go for the 110version with a remap it will be more then enough for her.

My other advice is go for the Fiat Bravo...way way better car then the new golf VI...
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This is EDC17 equiped car...not many companies do them right now, that is why you don't see figures for 110version on most sites.

You get around 150hp and 320NM from the 110hp version with a remap.

My advice is go for the 140 version....but if your mom is going to drive the car, then go for the 110version with a remap it will be more then enough for her.

My other advice is go for the Fiat Bravo...way way better car then the new golf VI...
Thanks for the advice. yeah the cars not for me and im pretty sure 150 bhp is more than enough for her.
She currently has a astra sri 140bhp and i find that pretty tame to be honest it looks way quicker than it is.
I cant agree with you about the Fiat Bravo though.
Its pants in comparison with the new golf.
As much as it pains me to say it but the golf is a bloody good car.
I helped her choose it and drove every mid size family car you can think of.
focus, civic, leon, 147 the lot.
The leon was the nearest rival and she would have got that had it not been for the old 1.9tdi engine and the poor quality feel inside. its amazing how far diesels have come. considoring that old VAG 1.9 tdi was once a very good engine.
To be totaly honest the bravo is lightyears behind the golf in terms of engines, ride and quality etc.
The MK6 golf is a really good car.
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err fiats diesel engines are one of the best in the business, if not the best, and would have it over a golf any day, especially the new 2.0mjet, 165bhp to start with. better equipment,cheaper, great build quality on the bravo too, golfs are all hype

ironic really the golf is boring and aptly named imo
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The new fiat diesel engines are good, if a little bit noisy. General quality is reasonable in the bravo, but there are areas that look like corners have been cut to be fair. I'd say the golf is better finished.

As for the difference between 110 and 140 bhp golf, I think it is likely that there is more than just a different map between them. I'd imagine there are mechanical differences too!
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different turbo iirc

and you cant exactly call vw diesels refined lol, that honour goes to honda
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err fiats diesel engines are one of the best in the business, if not the best, and would have it over a golf any day, especially the new 2.0mjet, 165bhp to start with. better equipment,cheaper, great build quality on the bravo too, golfs are all hype

ironic really the golf is boring and aptly named imo
Ok say they make quick diesels but i did not choose the car for her based solely on the engine. (and what the hell does a 60 yr old women need 165bhp for.?)
And i found the new 2.0 tdi to be very refined and quiet and not too brutal in the power delivery. and it is nearly silent.
You just have to be realistic and the simple truth is it is a bloody good car.
Ok so it is not the most pretty looking vehicle but that is not why we chose it.
The golf will be more reliable the equipment on the se is pretty good (rain sensors, cruise control, auto headlights, refrigerated glove box, mp3 player, 4x electric mirrors etc) so its not too shaby in that department.
It has a better ride and handling than the bravo and it will be worth more than 20p when she comes to sell it so the it may cost more in the first place but you get that back when it comes to selling it. Do you want me to go on.
Dont get me wrong i love italian cars (thats why i own one) but you really have to remove the tinted specticles and be realistic.
The simple fact is that there is no better mid size family car you can buy out there at the moment.
If you dont believe me feel free to search the web for reviews on the car (top gear, auto car, what car, the list go's on) and they all rate the new golf head and shoulders against the rest.

Just out of interest how many times have you driven a MK6 golf.?

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vw's reliabiltiy is a myth, but hey its not my car

golfs are good cars, but i hate them, just my oppinion

i dont want to read reviews, they all have vw/bmw rose tinted spectacles too.

price vs equipment the bravo wins hands down. were all entitled to opinions and thats mine.

a very overly hyped car,i drove an r32 on test, and the only thing thats impressed me was the dsg box, everything else bored me to tears, and way way over priced for what is a octavia in a vw dress. id rather have that tbh, a vrs tdi octavia

no need to get ratty

but again imo

and more to the point what would a 60yr old woman want with a remapped golf?

id rather go jap, and get something that actually IS reliable, rather than something that pretends to be and gets an added premium for the privalige. tbh id rather have a civic i-cdti




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the vw tdi's lag way behind mercedes and bmw in terms of noise power and drive, thats my 10p worth.
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Me I think the bmw has the best engine's but most of them now are really good regardless of make.. just lots of personal choice..



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We just bought the Bravo 1.4Tjet 120hp (it came a week ago) OVER all its rivals...including the Golf 6...which in my opinion is one of the worse cars in the class. Golf V is better car then VI.

About the engines....sorry but the new TDI have so much problems that you can't even image...even AutoBild wrote a few articles such as "My home was the service center" for the new tauran TDI and so on...last article being .."Does VAG group have problems with its new diesel engines"....keep in mind that AutoBild is a very pro VAG group magazine....

In terms of quility...I will show you pictures of the GOLF VI placed in the showroom...with its paint starting to fall of the car.

The plastic inside the car is 1992 level Skoda Fabia(felicia) or whatever it was...I am not going to pay 159, 3rd series, C-klass money in order to make that Golf a normal car.

BUT in the end it is all personal choice...

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The new BMW TD engines are in a different league !!!!!!!!!
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The new BMW TD engines are in a different league !!!!!!!!!
You are absolutely right mate! The N47S engine (2.0 twin turbo) is just amazing. 250 HP from remap only . And 460 Nm torque . Try it with any other diesel engine.
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helps having 2 turbos, its pretty much a similar increase across the board with diesels, just happens to have more power as standard

you can get the 1.9 mjet in the GP sporting to 200 from 130
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You are absolutely right mate! The N47S engine (2.0 twin turbo) is just amazing. 250 HP from remap only . And 460 Nm torque . Try it with any other diesel engine.
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1.9JTTD....Fiat's twin turbo diesel is better in my opinion....and also the new 2.0MJTTD is coming out...

Don't forget MultiJet 2nd generation is coming out in the end of this year only to FIAT group cars...and this time they will keep it only to themselfs for a period of time.
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But do you have any experience with BMW as well? I have and thats why I said that. But don't understand me wrong. Fiat (and Alfa of course) designed loads of superb engines. Mostly petrol ones but diesels as well (who knows that common rail was a Fiat concept which later was bought by Bosch?).
BTW. kgb - can you explain why Fiat engine is better?
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bmw 2.0 diesel in the new 3 series (2009)

co2 - 153 g/km
power - 177bhp
torque - 258 lbs/ft (349nm)

fuel consumption (mpg)

urban - 37.7
extra urban - 58.9
combined - 48.7

Kerb Weight - 1600 kg


new 2.0 multijet in the bravo (2009)


co2 - 139 g/km
power - 165 bhp
torque - 266 lbs/ (360nm)

fuel consumption (mpg)

urban - 40.9
extra urban - 65.7
combined - 53.3

Kerb Weight - 1360 kg



2009 Golf 2.0 gt tdi 140



co2 - 142 g/km
power - 138 bhp
torque - 236 lbs/ (320nm)

fuel consumption (mpg)

urban - 39.8
extra urban - 62.8
combined - 52.3

Kerb Weight - 1299 kg


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The new 2.0Mjet in the 159 is 170bhp
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same engine as the bravo,its probably soemthing like 168 in reality,no engine is exactly the same, but beleive me the bravo 2.0 and the 159's are the same engine

just fiat rounded it down and alfa up, but its the same engine
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I didn't say it is a different engine....

In the Opel Insignia it is 160bhp...
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i meant same power, i think it right that gm get a de-tuned version, sounds fair to me
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