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Chilling Angel Remap of 1.9jtdm ti



So glad I had it done today

On my first test run was fortunate to meet a 57 plate Audi A4 Sline 170, he wanted a dabble, I obliged, result = remapped 159 victorious

Nuff said
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Any details on BHP afterwards, 0-60 times, MPG expectation from the Angel map ?
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Any details on BHP afterwards, 0-60 times, MPG expectation from the Angel map ?
Nothing in black and white but a side by side drag race with my mates Leon FR 170 couldnt seperate us until the Alfas longer legs came into play The same test a few months ago had the Leon leaving me in its wake
Taking into account the extra weight in the 159 I have no reason to doubt the claimed 190+ bhp

0-60 being on a par with the Leon puts it at sub 8s

Although a graph with before and afters would be nice the real proof of the pudding is in the eating..................
...........Leon FR's taste very nice indeed

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Have to say guys, Nigel from Angel really knew his stuff, his knowledge of Alfa and Fiat engines is vast and it's worth getting him out to see the Fiat 500cup that Angel have created
The wife wants one now

If your in 2 minds-dont be-it really is worth it
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Those FR's are no slouches, one left me in it;s wake y/day so that's some improvement !
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Yep, Nigel knows his beans.

Going to save some pennys and get the BMC CDA induction kit fitted to the beastie in a while
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Hi peeps,
a remap should give a min of 30bhp and 60nm more torque.. and the benefit of improved fuel economy...
so a solid 190bhp min is what you will get from the 1.9 jtd 16v


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190hp, that's a lot (and welcome ) from the 16v, isn't it?
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£250 and he comes to you. Get your mates involved and the price comes down
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hey tango indigo

congrats on you map. Since i have had the map for about three weeks ive noticed that at low revs around 2000 rpm i.e slow moving traffic, the car occasionally hesitates doesnt happen all the time but since i have been looking for this i have noticed it more. it only seems to do it 2nd and 3rd gears.

I fellow member who had a map done red dot(had mine done at angel tuning) also noticed this. We both have 09 registered and the chap at red dot has said the ecu in the 2009 is set up slightly differently ( to the 2008)and thats why it takes over an hour and a half to install. I wonder have you notice this problem and what plate is you TI. Personally im not to bothered as it aint very bad and is infrequent but if it gets worse i may get in touch with them
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Sounds to me like they need to work out a new map for the 09 ECU !!

I can assure you the 09 ECU is no more econmical
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hey tango indigo

congrats on you map. Since i have had the map for about three weeks ive noticed that at low revs around 2000 rpm i.e slow moving traffic, the car occasionally hesitates doesnt happen all the time but since i have been looking for this i have noticed it more. it only seems to do it 2nd and 3rd gears.

I fellow member who had a map done red dot(had mine done at angel tuning) also noticed this. We both have 09 registered and the chap at red dot has said the ecu in the 2009 is set up slightly differently ( to the 2008)and thats why it takes over an hour and a half to install. I wonder have you notice this problem and what plate is you TI. Personally im not to bothered as it aint very bad and is infrequent but if it gets worse i may get in touch with them
I have experienced a slight stutter when the car was at low rev. If it continues I will get it looked at but I think it may have been just me getting used to the quicker throttle response. Mine is an 08. It took 45 mins to download my cars data and about another 20 to upload the new data.
On another note, drove the car as I usually do today, 300 mile mixed round trip and the trip computer says I averaged 42.3mpg That is 7mpg more than I have been getting. Thats a 20% improvement
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Ti, the remap knocks out the cars fuel computer (by changing injector opening durations), so you can no longer rely on its readings, you need to check manually. If you drive the same as you did before you will probably notice 1-3 more mpg I reckon, but use the power all the time and you will be worse than before.
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hey tango indigo

congrats on you map. Since i have had the map for about three weeks ive noticed that at low revs around 2000 rpm i.e slow moving traffic, the car occasionally hesitates doesnt happen all the time but since i have been looking for this i have noticed it more. it only seems to do it 2nd and 3rd gears.

I fellow member who had a map done red dot(had mine done at angel tuning) also noticed this. We both have 09 registered and the chap at red dot has said the ecu in the 2009 is set up slightly differently ( to the 2008)and thats why it takes over an hour and a half to install. I wonder have you notice this problem and what plate is you TI. Personally im not to bothered as it aint very bad and is infrequent but if it gets worse i may get in touch with them
I've the same hesitation on my remapped TI, since the torque is increased, engine always wants lower revs - between 2000 & 3000 mostly. I noticed that it is in 4th gear now in slow traffic while it should be 2nd or 3rd as it was before remap.

I wonder if this hesitation may cause a damage in long term.
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Its a shame people are having this problem after remapping. what plate is your TI, some people think this may only be a problem on the 09 ecu's as its claimed (by red dot engineer) they are set slightly differently to the 08. Hope i have not been a guinea pig for the companies. If enough people are having problems then i might get in touch with angel tuning

Weird nobody had mentioned on any previous thread of the intermittant hesitation after remapping makes me thing more it may be a problem with the 09.

Would be grateful if other members who have had the same issue after remapping to share there thoughts
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Also to add the fuel consumption is marginally better mixed driving returning about 40 mpg. that s about 1-2 mpg better. The trip computer however goes out by about 1 mpg.

without the map the trip computer i found to be very accurate
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Hi all,

Had mine done at Red Dot during Alfa day. My car took over 1hr longer than the other guys there with same engine but slightly older models (08 vs my 09).

Red Dot mentioned they had to download a new map to suit the slightly different reconfiguration of the ECU code on the newer model.

I am extremey happy with the remap - it drives very similar to a petrol (although I do get slightly tense when taking a diesel above 4,000 rpm!!!). The acceleration keeps a smile on my face every day!

The down side to this is that I do have hesitation during slow acceleration at 2nd and 3rd gears (as if there was a white spot). This does not happen all the time and intensity differs from time to time!

I have emailed Red Dot to ask for any thoughts on this situation and will update this thread when I get a response from them!

All the best and happy motoring!

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I had my 07 159 mapped by angel a few weeks back now and I too have had this issue, its heistant and then suddenly kicks in and goes.

I have a theory about this..... this only occurs when the car is cold, when the car temp guage is off the bottom of the guage and reading warm about 7-8 oclock area and above the car is fine.

Firtsly my wife has a Signum with the 150 engine and this does similar things when cold and is very hesitant to rev when cold, reading the manual, there is a safety feature which does not allow you to rev too high when the engine is cold to protect itself from damage, im pretty sure my 156 all be it a petrol version did the same...

When the map has been done maybe this alters when the boost comes in and then the engines safety feature is fighting the map until the engine has warmed up, with increased power and torque and change of curve perhaps this is the reason this saftey feature the engine has is more noticable than the standard Alfa map...... like i say just a theory, what do you think???
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hi John,

Its possible to be honest... Although this happens on mine independent of engine temperature....... What do the others think?
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hi John,

Its possible to be honest... Although this happens on mine independent of engine temperature....... What do the others think?
Agree with you there mate, it does happen at any temp but slightly less when warm.
To be honest it's barely noticeable on mine so unless it gets severe I won't chase it.

I am loving it though it's like a different car
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If your having probs with hesitation etc at low rpm then it's a software issue from the mapper.. the paragraph below is from an email I sent to Evolutionchips regarding any probs in any remap...


No problem. Just be aware that NONE of our remaps will ever throw up a fault code.
If its listed as you can do it then its 100% error free, cars with issues we simply donít offer as itís not worth the trouble.



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If your having probs with hesitation etc at low rpm then it's a software issue from the mapper.. the paragraph below is from an email I sent to Evolutionchips regarding any probs in any remap...


No problem. Just be aware that NONE of our remaps will ever throw up a fault code.
If its listed as you can do it then its 100% error free, cars with issues we simply donít offer as itís not worth the trouble.



Best Regards,

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Not sure I understand?

sr-performance is a dealer for another remap company (trading under the name of evolutionchips) and what he is trying to say is that they do not do remaps that will cause any faults or problems as in your case,but that ofcourse is something that every respected tuner should offer.
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Is there any minimum mileage you should have on the car before getting it remapped ?

I'm due a new one in september and will definately get it done but was just wondering how long I should leave it, any thoughts?
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