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Another one to polarise opinions for ya all
I have found these 2 kits and the recomended kits Koni/Ein etc are worth a look i wondered about these - being realistic etc and funds allowing plus fitting it's likely i have to consider something like these, i'm looking for a lower ride height and or adjustable and more progressive/neutral handling as my original shockers have now done 65K. Thanks for your input (in advance guys) i'm in no rush just dipping a toe so to speak.
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Re: Suspension kit or Coil over kit?

It all depends on the level of comfort you want in your car. Lowering springs tend to be more comfy than coilovers but the handeling suffers (still better than standard though). Personally I'd go for lowering springs in an everyday car.
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i would prefer the coil over
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Again you get what you pay for, they probably don't do a bad job but I'd be worried about longevity with them being plated steel rather than stainless jobbies.
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Again you get what you pay for, they probably don't do a bad job but I'd be worried about longevity with them being plated steel rather than stainless jobbies.
I hear yer, so how much more do you reckon the recomended stuff assuming say £200 to fit - i have seen a KONI sport and i think adjustable set for £400 odd?

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i would prefer the coil over
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It all depends on the level of comfort you want in your car. Lowering springs tend to be more comfy than coilovers but the handeling suffers (still better than standard though). Personally I'd go for lowering springs in an everyday car.
Needs to be fairly comfortable as i have a little un! but shes not in the car that often so
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This is the KONI set
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I have the koni sport (adjustable shocks) on my 156, fantastic, too hard for a lot of people, but a revolution in terms of handling, need 17's and good rubber, in summer I put road legal slicks on and the cornering ability is truly fantastic - can't recommend it enough, but very firm.
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I have the koni sport (adjustable shocks) on my 156, fantastic, too hard for a lot of people, but a revolution in terms of handling, need 17's and good rubber, in summer I put road legal slicks on and the cornering ability is truly fantastic - can't recommend it enough, but very firm.
Thanks mate for the input do they have a soft, medium and hard settings? or do they come with just ride height settings?
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I have Koni FSD's and Eibach springs and they are a fantastic compromise between comfort and handling

I wouldnt buy coil overs if you are looking for comfort, my feeling is they are more performance oriented at the expense of comfort and you are paying for height adjustment.

Do you really need a coil over kit? - they can be a pain to setup and to maintain operation of the height adjustment. If you are happy not to adjust the height then you'd be better to go for adjustable dampers like the Koni's or fixed rate like the Eibach's or Bilstein's

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Dollar for dollar, I would much prefer a spring/strut combo over a coilover kit. While it won't have the functionality of coilovers, you'll get much better quality for your money with a spring/strut setup

Most adjustable kits (bar decent brands - Bilstein, Koni, etc) are crap, and the functionality on them doesn't actually do what it's supposed to. Please read this article!

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Remember this list:

* Bilstein
* Penske
* Koni
* Ohlins
* Sachs
* Dynamic Suspension

Not on this list? Almost certainly crap.

Perhaps I should elaborate a little.

For a while, I was the shock engineer for a race team, and was designing, building, and rebuilding shock packages for customers. A big part of this service was running customer shocks on the dyno to set a baseline for where they were currently at. I dynoed a couple of hundred shocks, representing the spread of almost every shock brand extant.

(All the shock dyno plots on this page came off my dyno.)

Amazingly, save those brands mentioned in that earlier list, this was a non-stop parade of horror, including, but not limited to:

1. Adjusters that did absolutely nothing;
2. Adjusters that had more crosstalk effect than they had primary effect (ie, a rebound adjuster where 1 click made a 10% change in rebound and a 30% change in compression);
3. Adjusters that were nonlinear and exponential;
4. Adjusters that peaked in the middle of the adjustment range (in one example, "full hard" was softer than "full soft");
5. Shimstacks assembled upside-down;
6. Sets of shocks where a front and rear shimstack had been exchanged;
7. Shocks valved with forces that were insane (1600 lbs/in @ 3 in/sec was the record);
8. Shocks that faded so fast (as they warmed up) that no two runs were ever alike;
9. Shocks with adjusters that varied by 10% on the same shock at the same setting, depending on if you got there by going harder or softer; and
10. Shocks that adjusted rebound and compression in lockstep, but had so much compression that backing them down to reasonable levels made rebound way too soft (very common with the Japanese brands like GAB, JIC, Tein, etc)

The only shock brands I worked with that actually did what they said they would do were the shocks on that list - and even then, they had their quirks:
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hmmm...................no mention of Eibach
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Re: Suspension kit or Coil over kit?

I've got the koni sport adjustables, with apex springs -30mm and i live in a rural part of buckinghamshire.. can't fault them really the car feels planted and the ride height looks perfect not too low in my opinion.. Don't buy them from awesome GTI though.. they sent me escort springs to start with and caused me a alot of grief!
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I've got the koni sport adjustables, with apex springs -30mm and i live in a rural part of buckinghamshire.. can't fault them really the car feels planted and the ride height looks perfect not too low in my opinion.. Don't buy them from awesome GTI though.. they sent me escort springs to start with and caused me a alot of grief!
Can i ask how much supplied and fitted that set up was Sam?
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Dollar for dollar, I would much prefer a spring/strut combo over a coilover kit. While it won't have the functionality of coilovers, you'll get much better quality for your money with a spring/strut setup

Most adjustable kits (bar decent brands - Bilstein, Koni, etc) are crap, and the functionality on them doesn't actually do what it's supposed to. Please read this article!

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Wow thats for such a detailed report i will bare that in mind when making a choice - you sound like you know your stuff fella so thanks
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I have Koni FSD's and Eibach springs and they are a fantastic compromise between comfort and handling

I wouldnt buy coil overs if you are looking for comfort, my feeling is they are more performance oriented at the expense of comfort and you are paying for height adjustment.

Do you really need a coil over kit? - they can be a pain to setup and to maintain operation of the height adjustment. If you are happy not to adjust the height then you'd be better to go for adjustable dampers like the Koni's or fixed rate like the Eibach's or Bilstein's
Thanks for the info mate i didnt really know the diff between the 2 set ups. Do you think adjustable dampers are a MUCH better option than a fixed set up?
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koni adjustables adjust from soft to hard, you can set anywhere between, I have set mine half way at the mo, if I track day it I would change the settings for the track.

The spring height is fixed.
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koni adjustables adjust from soft to hard, you can set anywhere between, I have set mine half way at the mo, if I track day it I would change the settings for the track.

The spring height is fixed.
So far this seems the best option so thanks mate any idea on cost to fit?
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It takes me 4-5 hours to do the front and rear suspension, its very straight forward so any garage should be able to do it. If the suspension bolts are rusty then this could take longer
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You can test my setup up tonight fella if your interested??

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Lovely mate - u not started yet? lol
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Can i ask how much supplied and fitted that set up was Sam?
I don't think Awesome supply the kit anymore because of the mess they made of it to me! but if i remember correctly the kit cost about 470pounds, then i couldnt fit it myself because the old shocks were pretty much welded on with age! so that cost another 200pounds,

i ended paying alot for the mistake made by awesome.. up to £1000.. can't really do much about it now, but the car is great to drive!!
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Thanks sam glad it all worked out in the end, i will check around for prices and then fitting costs as im a complete novice Cheers mate- happy cruisin
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