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159 brake upgrade

I was a bit disappointed with the performance of the standard brakes of my 159 2.4, so when 'unfortunately' my front rotors warped, I decided to upgrade the whole thing, now i have front cross drilled Brembo discs + EBC Redstuff pads while on the rear I got only EBC Redstuff pads with the original discs.
I wouldn't post this if I was happy with the performance of my new brake system, but I'm not, so what can I do now to improve it? I would like some more pedal feel and more bite. I'm not using the car for track days so I just want it to feel better for my street driving.

I'm now running on high performance winter tires with 245 width on quite warm weather (so the grip is out of question), and I've properly bedded in the brakes.

Is there any place where I can buy brake braided hoses for a 159 - been searching the web and I couldn't find any - I've heard those help a lot and changing the brake fluid as well.
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Re: 159 brake upgrade

First I'd get rid of the EBC pads.

Ferodo DS2500 all round would suit a 4WD car like yours.
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I afraid of track/race pads. I had a very bad experience with such pads on one of my previous cars, nearly got me killed a few times braking when cold.
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And yet you went and purchased EBC Red Stuff pads...

Read the reports of DS2500 pads from people that only use then on the road (which includes me), they are a very good fast road pad. Technically they are a track pad because they are actually too good to be Reg90 approved as a road pad.

What pads have you had problems with in the past?
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I got EBC because they were the easiest to get and I was in a hurry (warped discs). redstuff is for road usage as they first recommended yellowstuff, which I refused.
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First I'd get rid of the EBC pads.

Ferodo DS2500 all round would suit a 4WD car like yours.
I will second getting rid of the EBC pads they are crap

Ferodo DS2500 and good but nothing on the Performance Friction pads we sell

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https://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/tunin...telemetry.html

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EBC pads don't get good reports from anyone.

So they are the first thing to change.
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Ferodo DS2500 and good but nothing on the Performance Friction pads we sell
Have you got matching rear pads for his 4WD 159?
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Have you got matching rear pads for his 4WD 159?
No I would use standard pads in the rear

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When my Ti needs pads, Ned and his boys will be fitting some PF's for me
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I already spent a few hundred euros for pads that were reviewed all over the internet as "very good pads for road usage".
I know that everyone has to sell their stuff, but I don't trust pads that are "decent" for road use (as that review says). I am not using the car for track
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Where were they reviewed as "very good"...?

Probably on a sales advert for EBC pads...!

I have yet to read a genuine good first hand report of them


If you want better brakes they will have to go.
Your problems are due to the pads.
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please don't get me wrong but the pads reviews are so subjective that i dont know who to trust anymore.
if you google for redstuff reviews you'll find a ton of positive reviews
as for ferodo and pf pads... I read that review long time ago bit, but you guys use your cars for track days which I don't do, and spending another few hundred euros for those pads to get me only "decent" cold (street) performance... I'll be better of with the "decent" stock pads - again, please don't get me wrong.
anyway, I'll give them EBCs another week after that I'll either go back to the stock pads or...
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Re: 159 brake upgrade

You cant go wrong with the Ferodo DS or DS2500 pads. I've been using the DS2500's for years and they are a fantastic pad, great braking and never let me down once, I run them in both my V6 156. The only downside to the DS2500 is they squeak a bit on low brake applications when used in standard single piston calipers, in 4 piston Brembo's they dont squeak.

The DS pads are a little gentler than the DS2500's and have no squeaking issues

I too have had some scary experiences with other pads and so I wouldnt be recommending the Ferodo pads unless I was 100% certain about them.

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please don't get me wrong but the pads reviews are so subjective that i dont know who to trust anymore.
if you google for redstuff reviews you'll find a ton of positive reviews
as for ferodo and pf pads... I read that review long time ago bit, but you guys use your cars for track days which I don't do, and spending another few hundred euros for those pads to get me only "decent" cold (street) performance... I'll be better of with the "decent" stock pads - again, please don't get me wrong.
anyway, I'll give them EBCs another week after that I'll either go back to the stock pads or...
What ever it is you decide to do throw the EBC’s in the bin. Ferodo’s are very good Performance Friction are better. Frankly the mistake you made was using the EBC’s and personally I would have stuck with standard discs

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as for ferodo and pf pads... I read that review long time ago bit, but you guys use your cars for track days which I don't do
I don't use my 156 on the track at all.
I already said that.
DS2500 are a great pad in normal road use, I've had them for 5-years. Not the same set obviously! but they do last very well and I'm only on my 2nd set and are gentle on the discs too. It will get new discs this year. I'd say that 5-years use from a set of discs is very good with a pad that stops as well as these do.

I can't comment on the Performance Friction Z-Rated pads as they don't make them for my 305mm Brembo calipers.

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Re: 159 brake upgrade

Interesting thread chaps.

My Ti is coming up to 25k miles already So perhaps at the next service I'll wang down to Ned and get some DS2500's fitted too.

Having said that, even my heavy right foot hasn't really dented the braking performance on the Ti They seem soild with very little brake fade.
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... I'll give them EBCs another week after that I'll either go back to the stock pads or...
If you still have the original pads and you are unhappy with the performance of the EBC pads (which is understandable) why don't you just refit the original pads now?
Why wait another week?
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warped discs and almost worn off pads, that's why I changed them.
I'll check whatever I can get here PF Z0-rated or DS2500 and I'll give them a try.
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Re: 159 brake upgrade

How about Tarox? I've been on Tarox G88 slotted discs and Tarox Corsa .114 pads for over a year and they're great for fast road and track usage. The pads are quite hard and they can squeal slightly, although they warm up quick and they won't get you killed when you hit the stoppers when cold The pads didn't work well with stock Alfa discs though - squealing everywhere, spongy pedal feel, it felt as if they were grinding the discs down instead of the other way around.
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