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Creating a Wider Stance/Track - 156.

how would someone go about making their 156's wheels sit that ittle bit further out, to fill the arches?

annoyingly enough, im thinking of going for 18" wheels as the 17" look tiny compared to some i have seen on here that fill the arches properly, only trouble is going to 40 profile tyres, less comfort, but thats a different story.

what could i do to widen the track? arch rolling? wheel spacers? different offset/wider tyres?
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To give the car a wider stance, you really need either hub-centric spacers (to keep the wheels located onto the hub and not centralised and supported soley by the wheel bolts) and longer wheel bolts. The other option is to use wheels of a smaller offset. In other words, an offset in the region of 25-30mm.

Be aware that when doing this, you reduce the negative offset radius of the front geometry. This will cause the car to tramline more, hook up with the central white line very noticeably, be less stable under heavy braking, be more sensitive to tyre pressures, adverse tyre wear and geometry imperfections due to wear and tolerances. The less the offset/wider the spacers/wider the wheels the more this effect will be pronounced.

I'd suggest an 8" rim is the likely maximum rim width along with 225 tyres. Obviously, there is room for more, but as you are moving the car in a more performance orientated direction, note that stability and stability over bumps will be reduced. If you go larger than my suggestions, you will notice a significant change to steering weight and responce. If you went for a 9" rim or a <20mm offset or 20mm spacers, I'd be thankful the car isn't mine, but the wheels would fill out the arches. It would still be fine on smooth roads though.
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Re: Creating a Wider Stance/Track - 156.

great advice. thankyou.

so according to your tolerances, if i was to go for the cheap option, ie hubcentric spacers, i could still retain most of the stability if i went for a max of say 10mm at the front and 15mm at the rear? i have a 7" rim at the moment, with 215 width, 45 profile.

would it be generally "safe" to do this? im thinking i may have to adjust the damping at the front at least, to avoid smacking the arch inner rim with spacres on.
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You'd need longer wheel bolts as well don't forget.
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hopefully the spacers would come with those, would need to find longer locking nuts though.
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hmm...spacers x4 and wheel nuts would cost &#163;100ish..

8j, 18" wheels the same as mine with Kumho ditchfinders cost &#163;679, with me getting a max of &#163;300 for my wheels...
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Kumhos are good, they make a lot of tyres for rally and track racing cars. I've used loads of them and they are brilliant, my mate with 330d swears by them as well.
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heh, i cant really say anything, i havent used Kumho's. its just a term ive heard and has stuck in my head. Falken ze512's however, are crap in the wet.
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What wheels/tyres do you have at the moment?
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team dynamics pro race 1.2 17", satin black colour, and "enduro" almost-budget 215/45/17 tyres! heh, and there was me saying kumhos were ditchfinders. i have a set now!
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aziraphale, youi'll be fine with your suggestion. That way you won't need to start swapping tyres and wheels.

How do you rate the Kumhos?

The ZE512s are crap anytime.
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i dont have kumhos at the mo, its just what ive heard.

the ze512's i found fine in the dry, fitted to a 175bhp rs2000 orion, and i couldnt unstick them in the dry, but my god were they terrible on a damp road...
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oh, and cheers btw!
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team dynamics pro race 1.2 17", satin black colour, and 215/45/17 tyres
What offset are those?

I have the std 6.5"x16" ET40 with 205/55R16 and 15mm spacers.

I havn't rolled the arches and they are as close as you can run without (ie a 16mm spacer would need the arches rolling with the same rims...)

FYI, they end up with the outer edge of the tyre 1mm further out than GTA 7.5x17 ET35 with 225/45R17
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buggered if i can remember. where would i find the offset? is it on the wheel?
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Try the inside of the wheel (hub side). Is your car lowered?

The thing you're looking for is the 'ET' and then a number.
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What offset are those?

I have the std 6.5"x16" ET40 with 205/55R16 and 15mm spacers.

I havn't rolled the arches and they are as close as you can run without (ie a 16mm spacer would need the arches rolling with the same rims...)

FYI, they end up with the outer edge of the tyre 1mm further out than GTA 7.5x17 ET35 with 225/45R17

These should sit 2.5mm further in than the GTA alloys.
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hi, yes, the car is lowered 10mm over its standard veloce spec. 35mm from a non-veloce/sportpack 156.

will check the wheel tomorrow.
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What offset are those?

I have the std 6.5"x16" ET40 with 205/55R16 and 15mm spacers.

I haven't rolled the arches and they are as close as you can run without (ie a 16mm spacer would need the arches rolling with the same rims...)

FYI, they end up with the outer edge of the tyre 1mm further out than GTA 7.5x17 ET35 with 225/45R17
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These should sit 2.5mm further in than the GTA alloys.
Just checked my original drawing I did to calculate clearance and it was 1mm further out than the GTA rims with 225/45 tyres.
That was using overall dimensions from Toyo.
The exact difference will vary slightly between different makes of tyres.
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checked my wheels, and they seem to be ET35. thats the only number i can see on them other than "7jx17", just a raised plaque with "35" on.
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That means your wheels have a 35mm offset. That means the hub face (the bit the wheels bolts go through which sits against the brake disc) is 35mm outboard of the centre of the wheel.

10mm spacers front and 15mm rear will be ok. You'll know yoiurself how much room you have to play with though.

DC, do you have lowered suspension?
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DC, do you have lowered suspension?
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checked my wheels, and they seem to be ET35. thats the only number i can see on them other than "7jx17", just a raised plaque with "35" on.
As Ally said, you need to measure your clearance, but I think even 10mm spacers would need the arches rolling.
That would give you an effective ET of 25 and I'm assuming you are running a 215/45 or 225/45 tyre.

I also have an effective ET of 25 (ET40 rims & 15mm spacer) but 205/55R16 tyres and have very little clearance.
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cheers, i have ordered some spacers, worst case scenario will be i fit them, drop the car onto its wheel, find i have no clearance, and remove until i get the arches rolled.

anyone know of any places in north yorks that do it?
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How did you get on with the spacers mate?

And David, if you are still subscribed to this - do you know what the offset figures are for a 17" GTV 3.0 Teledial wheel? I'm thinking ET35, same as GTA, but for some reason ET28 is springing to mind ??
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