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Savali tuning in Holland - experiences anyone?

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I have been looking around to have my Giulietta Q.V. remapped. After talking to local tuning companies I was left with a feeling they had very little clue about the specificities of my car. Also, as I live in Luxembourg, the local options are rather limited.

After some googling I am leaning toward Savali tuning in Holland. They specialise in Alfa tuning and offer a stage 2 map giving around 300 HP. I have already made the mechanical modifications to handle such power. I have spoken with them and the engineer that I spoke to gave a very good impression, friendly, knowledgeable and open to my specific wishes. Also their pricing is competitive.

All seems very good, but I like to hear if anyone here has experience from this company before taking the plunge. It is a four hour drive one way, so I want to make sure I'm happy with the results.


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dont go to savali tuning , he's a complete dick that doesn't understand tuning.
Don't be fooled by companies that say they can tune to more hp on stock cars , they either lie or break your car.

Talk to Serge from H&S Corse.
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dont go to savali tuning , he's a complete dick that doesn't understand tuning.

Don't be fooled by companies that say they can tune to more hp on stock cars , they either lie or break your car.



Talk to Serge from H&S Corse.

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Thanks for the advice! Those are some harsh words. Have you had some bad experience with ssavali yourself? In all fairness, the 300 HP map is not intended for stock cars.

I will definitely give H&S a call on Monday! They seem like a serious outfit.


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"dont go to savali tuning , he's a complete dick that doesn't understand tuning."

Hard words...
Easy to scam, without some real experience.
Savali has been a long time around. It was formed way back when (SAm VAn LIngen) was the biggest well known dealeer in the netherlands.
I just bought a new 2.0t super, wich is gonna be set up with the "original" 280hp software.
Since savali is part of the vireo dealer (stern group) in Holland, they do take fabric garantee.

You can go there without any risk!
Either you can contact another really wellknown alfa tuner in Holland : squadra tuning.
Is the best known one in the alfa clubs scene in Holland.

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Thanks for some more balanced feedback. I don't get the impression that Savali is just one guy with a computer in his mum's basement, but rather a more serious company.

The impression I get is that there are actually three rather good tuning companies specialising in Alfa, which is very impressive to me.

I'm interested to know what made you choose Savali.


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Hi,

Reason i choose Savali is easy, it's just for the garantee.
Next thing is that i get a nice discount because i bought the car there.

I picked up my new Giulia 04-09 (dealers demo) with 6000km on it.
Now driving it for a week, i think i don't miss the extra hp, but why not.

Alfa did make 1 engine, and with downtuning they give you 2 options.
Standard 280, or 200. (for marketing purposes)
Putting the 280 software to the 200 engine is in my opinion not tuning, just using it where it was designed for.
I want the A and the N unchanged for driveability with bad weather, and for the misses an daughter.

For now i have to wait till Savali has time. Seems that they are that busy that it can take another 2-3 weeks.

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Ok, then I understand.

Yes the Giulia 2.0 is the most obvious example of marketing of a detuned engine on the market today.

Don't worry, you will want to have the extra 80 HP once you get them. Fast Alfas are addictive


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* this is my own opinion and everyone can have their own obviously *

What kind of mechanical modifications have you made already? i think you need a FMIC, bigger exhaust and probably better intake system.
Indeed, in the Netherlands you have a few specialized companies like Squadra Tuning & Savali. They are good for 'stage1' chiptuning on stock hardware and there are enough happy customers for both of them. i'm sure there is nothing wrong with that.

However if you want a stage2 tune based on the modifications you've made i agree with Allerd, go to H&S Corse (they use Revlimit software, google them!). They've tuned quite a few QV's which came from one of the other company's which had ridiculous boost programmed (2950mbar which it couldnt even reach, got to 2800 mbar max). According to their facebook that customer was on it's 3th turbo and second clutch was almost gone aswell (car has less then 100.000 kms!).

And yes, my car is tuned by H&S Corse aswell (for full disclosure, haha). I drive a extensively modified Fiat Grande Punto T-jet with 250HP (TD04 setup) with stage3 map. They are (in the Netherlands atleast) the only company who truly understand and can do such modifications. All other companies either don't offer them or buy complete kits from companies such as Scara73 etc. If you have facebook you can check them out there, enough pics / text there to give you an idea.
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Thanks for the information thjisk89, I appreciate feedback from people with direct experience!

The mechanical mods relating to power handling I have done so far are:
Updated diverter valve (Go fast bits DV+)
New Sachs clutch package
Clutch disk resurfaced with Kevlar (rated at 450Nm)
Turboworks large front mount intercooler
Quaife LSD (stock diff wouldn't brake, but I think driveability would be pretty limited with open diff and remapped engine)

I'm not really sure that air intake is a limiting factor at this stage. The stock cat surely could be, especially towards red line where the amount of gas flow is greatest.

Sport catalyst is planned for next year together with a hybrid turbo rebuild.

Of course I'm looking for a company with which I can work based on the specific mods of my car and get a peer increase that is also safe, I suppose that goes without saying.

Does H&S offer to adjust the maps to my driving preferences? What are your experiences on working on what I only can assume is a one of a kind project?

It seems like a call to H&S will be on my to-do list tomorrow


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Had a talk with a very helpful guy at H&S. What I understand from him is that they don't do any of the programming in house but sends it all off to rev limit. Essentially their job is just to run the dunno and load the fires that they get.

According to the guy I spoke to at Savali they do their own programs and also have the possibility to adjust following the first test run and iterate until everything is tip top. This could be my misunderstanding as well given the previous comments above.

I'm really not sure what to go for. The upside is that it seems I have the choice between two rather decent options.


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You can use his flasher (basically read out your software, send it to him, he adapts it according to your current car setup, send it back, you write it on your ECU with the flasher, done).
He is rather popular and knows the fiat engines quite well (he built an abarth 500 with 400 hp).
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You can use his flasher (basically read out your software, send it to him, he adapts it according to your current car setup, send it back, you write it on your ECU with the flasher, done).

He is rather popular and knows the fiat engines quite well (he built an abarth 500 with 400 hp).


Thanks for the tip, but I'm not really comfortable with doing a remapping by mail without any dyno verification. Also that would not take any of my car specifics into account.


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