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The new programme on Amazon TV "The man in the high castle" Looked worth a watch and the Fire TV Stick was £25 at John Lewis at the weekend, so I took the plunge.

Technically a brilliant little bit of kit, but is anyone else using fire TV and finding the black levels are absolutely crushed to oblivion? Any truly dark scenes the blacks had no detail whatever and had blue tinge.

Going to have to check a non amazon produced show/film and see if it suffers the same or if it is just down to amazon doing something odd in editing/encoding of their own productions.

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Haven't noticed anything untoward on ours. But our TV is ancient and cost about 2p from Tesco, so I'm not used to brilliant picture quality....! Will look up "the man in the high castle".
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This is the stick you are talking about. Mine is fine so I'd look at your TV settings first.
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I had to mess around with the image on my Philips TV to watch MITHC
on the webbased HTML5 player on Amazon.co.uk.

I'll plug the Fire Stick in tonight and take a look to see if it's better/worse/same.
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I had to mess around with the image on my Philips TV to watch MITHC
on the webbased HTML5 player on Amazon.co.uk.

I'll plug the Fire Stick in tonight and take a look to see if it's better/worse/same.
Would be interesting to know, our TV is a 2yr old Panasonic and the settings are fine on other devices. I thought I was being more critical, having setup various encoding systems at work for quality comparisons but Gary passed comment before I did.

It was quite distracting on some scenes.
 
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Would be interesting to know, our TV is a 2yr old Panasonic and the settings are fine on other devices. I thought I was being more critical, having setup various encoding systems at work for quality comparisons but Gary passed comment before I did.

It was quite distracting on some scenes.


Is it a plasma screen, Eddie?
 
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Is it a plasma screen, Eddie?
No, its LED backlit.

Interestingly I ended up buying a mid range model, with the older type of panel. I wasn't interested in 3D and this model scored better than their models twice the price for black levels. It's also only 100Hz and has no over the top picture processing, I think after 12 years in broadcast I just prefer more natural picture. I remember looking at one that had 1600Hz backlight and some all singing and dancing picture processing and it looked awful to me.

I am off tomorrow so I am going to have a play
 
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I am off tomorrow so I am going to have a play

Alright, keep it clean.
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No, its LED backlit.

Interestingly I ended up buying a mid range model, with the older type of panel. I wasn't interested in 3D and this model scored better than their models twice the price for black levels. It's also only 100Hz and has no over the top picture processing, I think after 12 years in broadcast I just prefer more natural picture. I remember looking at one that had 1600Hz backlight and some all singing and dancing picture processing and it looked awful to me.

I am off tomorrow so I am going to have a play

I'm exactly of that opinion Eddie. I have a 42" Panasonic plasma and have it set in 'Cinema' mode.

Although your TV has good black levels, it's all about detail in the blacks too, as I'm sure you'll appreciate. Shoulda got a plasma?

Anyway Eddie, give it a year or two and you can get yourself a nice 4K OLED .

(Definitely interested to see whether Amazon have added any processing though, or used jpeg compression unsympathetically?)
 
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I'm exactly of that opinion Eddie. I have a 42" Panasonic plasma and have it set in 'Cinema' mode.

Although your TV has good black levels, it's all about detail in the blacks too, as I'm sure you'll appreciate. Shoulda got a plasma?

Anyway Eddie, give it a year or two and you can get yourself a nice 4K OLED .

(Definitely interested to see whether Amazon have added any processing though, or used jpeg compression unsympathetically?)
Unfortunately it was just after they stopped making plasmas, besides this one only uses 45W of power

I will see if can get a photo comparing blu-ray vs fireTV tomorrow that shows it. May also see if I can find out what they are using for encoding, it's going to bug me.

In a couple of years time we might have some decent 4K content knocking about I have noticed that the newer natural world programs are using 4k cameras, the hunt last week showed they were using one of these Phantom Flex4K Our Third Generation Digital Cinema Camera
 
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Would be interesting to know, our TV is a 2yr old Panasonic and the settings are fine on other devices. I thought I was being more critical, having setup various encoding systems at work for quality comparisons but Gary passed comment before I did.

It was quite distracting on some scenes.
Mines a ~4 year old Philips ambilight with early active
LED backlighting.

As with the PC need to stick it on "Vivid" picture for TMITHC.


Also shocked to find the TV remote drives the Stick.
How did I not know that?
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Mines a ~4 year old Philips ambilight with early active
LED backlighting.

As with the PC need to stick it on "Vivid" picture for TMITHC.


Also shocked to find the TV remote drives the Stick.
How did I not know that?
Interesting, I just solved my problem and possibly the vivid setting on yours does similar. I checked the settings on the HDMI input for the Sky Box, compared and they were slightly different. I managed to improve things, but then found a setting buried under options for RGB range where all inputs were set to normal. I changed it full for the Fire Stick, all the detail came back in the shadows and the blue tinge is gone.

RGB: Full vs. Limited - Reference Home Theater

Explains the crushed blacks etc, it was treating the lower values 0-16 as black. Maybe the manual or CD would have explained this, and might mention the remote too!
 
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...Manual-Schmanual... For girls, surely?
 
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